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Russia can never surrender its nukes
Pravda ^ | 06.04.2009

Posted on 04/12/2009 11:42:30 PM PDT by pobeda1945

This past week, following the G20 conference and with a North Korean missile launch as a back ground, the American president Obama made an impassioned plea for the world to be free of nuclear weapons. In his words, America must lead the way: “As a nuclear power – as the only nuclear power to have used a nuclear weapon – the United States has a moral responsibility to act". He planned on doing this through a series of measures such as the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. He also proposed gathering up all vulnerable nuclear material, “loose nukes”, within four years.

Now the soft hearted and possibly soft brained in the Duma and in Russian political bodies may see this as a great movement and goal and will no doubt state as much and even seek funding from the US and NATO to help them make this a reality in Russia, itself. To this, I must say stop!

While the idea of a nuclear free world may seem great and sweat and adorable, it is not quite what it seems. To tell the truth, as it stands, Russian nuclear weapons are the only thing that is keeping the country from at best a Western sponsored civil war and at worst, another Patriotic War, this time against the whole of Europe and America.

Though the Anglo-Marxist sphere is dieing, it is a slow death and one that will still have many violent convulsions. As long as American arms are in Europe and Korea and Japan and Georgia, right outside of Russia's borders and are backed up by NATO as a whole, both militarily and economically, we must look rationally and realistically and historically upon what the Americans are proposing.

This, move to disarmament, is nothing new for the Americans. It is not, however, a humanitarian move but a devious ploy that they have used many times on enemies to destroy them. Early on, in America's short history, when the Americans could not conquer one Indian nation or set of tribes or states or another, they would call them to negotiate and would work to find a treaty of friendship and disarmament. In the mean time, not unlike the Islamics and their Hutnas, they would take this time to quickly move soldiers and build forts in the area. They often used plagues by giving other near by tribes infected blankets and other such niceties, to eventually reduce their enemy's strength and then instantly forgot their treaties and attacked. DC signed over 200 treaties with the various nations and tribes of North American Indians and they broke every single one.

After World War One, the US came to rival its former allies for dominance of the world, while pouring hundreds of millions to Lenin and his cronies to keep the Russian civil war going and while Germany shuddered under repayment. Thus the American's biggest rivals in the world were the British, French and Japanese and in comparison to their navies and thus projections of power, the Americans were second rate. Thus came the American crusade to fix that problem.

The goal was sweet enough in concept. The Americans appealed to the three former allies to disarm their navies, along with the Americans, limiting the scope and size of ships and armaments. Officially, this was done to help relieve tensions in Asia between the British and the Japanese, helping them to disarm. Thus by 1921, these powers were seated in Washington and without truly thinking things through, were agreeing to loose their empires and all the Americans to take everything. But Japan and Britain were not the only fools: France, Italy, Belgium, China, Netherlands and Portugal were also signatories.

The Five-Power treaty called for each of the countries involved to maintain a set ratio of warship tonnage which allowed the United States and Britain 500,000 tons, Japan 300,000 tons and France and Italy each 175,000 tons. Several things came out of this: one, the tonnage was measured so that the British could no longer maintain the full strength needed to control their empire. Furthermore, by this point, England was no longer the dominant industrial power and with both Germany and Russia out of the question and the Austro-Hungarians split into a dozen smaller states, America had the biggest industrial capacity.

Thus in one fell move, for a warm hearted and soft brained idea, the Americans were in a position where they could easily catch and strangle the empires of their competitors and take it all for themselves, as they were no longer having to play catch up to the British fleets, while being on parity with that of the Japanese and French and Belgians. They were now parallel with England and able to scale up much faster then anyone else.

Furthermore, this agreement called on signatories to stop building capital ships and reduce the size of their navies by scrapping older ships. Those older ships and capital ships were the very power center of the British navy and here it was negotiated away.

Nothing has changed and the Americans are still at their old game, knowing full well that the soft brained emotionalists in the world, who want peace at any cost, will always buy into their schemes, rather then make the hard sacrifices needed for national defense and thus freedom. Remember this: in it's short history from 1776, the Americans have invaded, annexed or just attacked well over 40 nations (to include the various recognize American Indian nations) and with this number is even greater if one considers the number of revolutions and civil wars they have personally sponsored.



TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; nuclearforces; putin; russia; sovietunion

1 posted on 04/12/2009 11:42:31 PM PDT by pobeda1945
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To: pobeda1945

Once you cut through all the usual Pravda anti-American blather you get around to a nugget of truth. The Russian nuclear arsenal isn’t disappearing anytime soon, neither is ours.

That Zero has a secretive scheme to defeat Russia by first sweet talking them into destroying their nuclear deterrent - com’on, this is Obama we’re talking about.


3 posted on 04/12/2009 11:51:24 PM PDT by eclecticEel ("Envy is always referred to by its political alias, 'social justice.' " - T. Sowell)
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To: pobeda1945

Curses!

The Russians have discovered our ploy!!!!

What will we do if they ever discover that Obama is a secret disciple of Reagan.


4 posted on 04/13/2009 12:02:46 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: pobeda1945

Pravda is funny to read. good entertainment.


5 posted on 04/13/2009 12:07:54 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative (AMERICA WILL SURVIVE !)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

So that’s why McCain helped and endorsed Obama by campaigning like a total fool! It all becomes clear now...


6 posted on 04/13/2009 12:16:03 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't spread my wealth, spread my work ethic!)
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To: pobeda1945

Hilarious!

But the truth is Russia can never give up its nukes because it’s in the midst of a demographic collapse and won’t have enough young males soon to defend itself against the likes of China or its soft Muslim underbelly.


7 posted on 04/13/2009 1:22:22 AM PDT by Rob the Ugly Dude
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To: pobeda1945

Hahaha, good for a laugh, about all though.
Sounds like they got theif education in a publik skool.


8 posted on 04/13/2009 1:37:32 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Rob the Ugly Dude

won’t have enough young males soon to defend itself against the likes of China

While China because of it’s one child policy will have an
abundance of young males, I tell you those Americans are
crafty.


9 posted on 04/13/2009 1:40:58 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: pobeda1945
Not a problem. Obama will unilaterally disarm if for no other reason than to pump the money “saved” to his fellow travelers. Look at it as a gesture of good will to the world. s/
10 posted on 04/13/2009 3:36:56 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: pobeda1945
While the idea of a nuclear free world may seem great and sweat and adorable.....

Their Babelfish program must be on the fritz.

11 posted on 04/13/2009 3:59:40 AM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: pobeda1945

Whoever the apparatchik is that wrote this absurd drivel must have had an IV line with Smirnoff Red Label vodka flowing at wide open throttle.


12 posted on 04/13/2009 4:08:22 AM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: F15Eagle
It's good to see the other side of the mirror. Our sovereign best interests are seen as hostile from the other side of the world. And we will continue pursue our national interests to our maximum benefit.

The unhappy campers are those who can't or won't stand under the umbrella of 'western christian democracy'.

The spread of Christian democracy will not be stopped by theocratic regimes or secular humanists.

13 posted on 04/13/2009 5:54:03 AM PDT by x_plus_one ("Salvation comes about though change in individual lives, not through the ending of unjust society")
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To: pobeda1945
The Russians aren't going to give up their nukes, period. It's their ace in the hole. I'm convinced, sooner or later, Russia will be the first country to strike using nuclear weapons.

Obama, when he speaks of a nuclear free world, he's just talking politics. I'm willing to bet he knows it'll never happen. Russia's nukes provides for them too much leverage in a world where their influence is diminishing in other areas.

14 posted on 04/13/2009 11:40:11 AM PDT by ponder life
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To: pobeda1945

Russia WON’T give up any of their nukes (Except a token few for the cameras that don’t work and are from the 1960’s).


15 posted on 04/13/2009 4:18:24 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: eclecticEel
Once you cut through all the usual Pravda anti-American blather you get around to a nugget of truth. The Russian nuclear arsenal isn’t disappearing anytime soon, neither is ours.

Agreed. 

16 posted on 04/13/2009 4:48:38 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: pobeda1945
Now the soft hearted and possibly soft brained in the Duma and in Russian political bodies may see this as a great movement and goal...

And the ... soft hearted and possibly soft brained in the American political bodies may see this as a great movement and goal... They have their idiots - we have ours!

17 posted on 04/13/2009 4:54:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Iraq trip: Obama should have bowed to the troops - not to King Abdullah.)
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To: pobeda1945

Now THAT is a different point of view.


18 posted on 04/14/2009 6:07:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: ponder life
Russia's nukes provides for them too much leverage in a world where their influence is diminishing in other areas.

Looking forward to China making a push for lebensraum in Siberia, and getting nuked by Russia for their troubles.

Cheers!

19 posted on 04/23/2009 7:02:55 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
Looking forward to China making a push for lebensraum in Siberia, and getting nuked by Russia for their troubles.

Well, as far as a "lebensraum" push, I believe it'll occur because Russia will launch a nuke against China. This will occur decades from now of course as China and Russia are currently allies. But I believe there will come a day, when Russia will be antagonistic towards China and the ONLY leverage they have against China is their nukes and will use them. But I also believe, by then, China will have the means to neutralize their nukes. Maybe missile defense coupled with airborne lasers. And in the aftermath, acquire Siberia.

20 posted on 04/24/2009 9:00:16 AM PDT by ponder life
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