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1 posted on 04/11/2009 12:37:35 PM PDT by presidio9
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Puhleeze. James Carroll, ex-priest, and (if you want to come right down to it) ex-Catholic. But a force for evil.


2 posted on 04/11/2009 12:41:38 PM PDT by livius
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This is why I sometimes wish the Church did away with infant baptism.
Adult converts are usually the most devout Catholics.


3 posted on 04/11/2009 12:44:37 PM PDT by SMCC1
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I don’t get it. Why do people belong to ANY group if they do not want to follow its teachings?

It’s not like belonging to the Catholic church, or ANY organized religion, is mandatory. So why join or stay, just to argue with the leadership over doctrine?


4 posted on 04/11/2009 12:45:11 PM PDT by Joann37
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This person talks about American Catholics. I am a member of the Roman Catholic Faith, not the american catholic faith. To me american catholics are CINOs


5 posted on 04/11/2009 12:48:52 PM PDT by mom-7
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Okay. Now I am washing my hands. I read that, and my computer feels dirtier for having gone to the NYT website to read it.

His God is not God, but Liberalism. Basically, he says that anything you think of God is okay. It leaves a big, open tent for everyone. Like Qeequeeg in “Moby DIck”, I can worship my little brown, carved wooden God, and be welcome in the church of “everyone”. I guess people who worship dog feces are welcome as well. Hey, as far as he is concerned, how can we be too sure our God is the “right” God to worship?

This guy is someone who likes the sound of his own voice, too. I read it, and “Ivory Tower Intellectual” bells went off.

In particular, this passage: “During my lifetime, America fully embraced the ethos of global empire, fulfilling what had begun in the merely continental notion of Manifest Destiny...”

Oh yeah. In his referral to “...my lifetime...” we have taken over and oppressed so much of the world.

What a tool.


7 posted on 04/11/2009 12:52:29 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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>> ‘Practicing Catholic’

Sounds like he needs to continue his practicing.

8 posted on 04/11/2009 12:59:24 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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. . .Once a believer has learned to think historically and critically, it is impossible any longer to think mythically. That is the ground on which this book stands; its subject is the positive transformation of religious thought that has defined much of Christianity, including Catholicism, during my lifetime. I intend to offer a defense of that transformation.

Translation: once a "believer" has decided it's OK to sit in judgment on the Bible, rather than being judged by it, membership in the First Existential Church of the Warm Fuzzy confers a lot of perks.

13 posted on 04/11/2009 1:08:15 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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James Carroll aka the dissident, excommunicated, VOTF, vichy Catholic, stooge.


15 posted on 04/11/2009 1:24:46 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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This was a special Good Friday treat from the New York Times?


18 posted on 04/11/2009 2:08:32 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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Perhaps it is time for the Vatican to create a new creed.

That is, it seems that much of the purpose of the Nicene and Apostles’ creeds was to help standardize the understanding of the faith. What is essential to the faith, and what it means to be one of the faithful.

In changing times, there are many distractions and heterodoxies that infiltrate into the “common knowledge” of the faithful, so it is useful for there to be a concise statement of the truth, that can be used to dispel doubt, and caution those who have strayed.

Composition of a new creed is, of course, exceptionally hard, but the boundaries it provides act as a guide for a restoration of orthodoxy.


21 posted on 04/11/2009 2:49:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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He says "only 1 of the first 54 justices" which means "2 of the first 55." He could have put it "one of the first 24" since Roger B. Taney was a Catholic. The second Catholic justice was Edward D. White.

Taney was Chief Justice from 1836 to 1864--so he could have said that of the first 75 years of the Court's existence, the Chief Justice was a Catholic for only 28 of them.

22 posted on 04/11/2009 3:07:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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And people wonder why we had the Inquisition.

I wish Tomás de Torquemada were alive today. He’d flush out the wolves in sheep’s clothing.


23 posted on 04/11/2009 4:02:10 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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...and in America (continuing racism), with the recognition that hatred of the Other (whether Jews, blacks, or, say, Muslims) is still virulent.

What about multiculturalism's "other," poor Southern whites?

...But then, under a succession of conservative Republican presidents, a string of Catholic conservatives was appointed, until, with the naming of Samuel Alito in 2006, the Supreme Court had a Catholic majority for the first time, a majority composed of right-wing Catholics who were poised to reverse precedents on antidiscrimination statutes, conservation, women's rights, free speech,

Which isn't "hate speech," btw, but the right to use the "f-" word and burn the flag.

and government intrusions in the private lives of citizens.

Good to know that this guy is opposed to requiring people to fasten their seat belts.

31 posted on 04/12/2009 7:35:29 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . 'Ashirah leHaShem ki ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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