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We conservatives need to calm down
Chicago Sun Times ^
| 04/06/09
| DAVID HOROWITZ
Posted on 04/06/2009 8:55:07 AM PDT by Borges
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To: EveningStar
Seems to me you just called some people "stupid and ignorant" (people who are correctly upset about being told to ,essentially, STHU about your loss of freedoms and money by one of "their own")....People using political terms such as 'Republican in name' and Communist.
Now who is playing below the belt again?
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:26:55 AM PDT
by
Earthdweller
(Socialism makes you feel better about oppressing people.....)
To: Borges
Just relax Germany and Italy, sure Hitler and Mussolini are bad, but they do have accomplishments. Don’t start sounding like the anti-Bush haters...
Fascism is Fascism David.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:27:32 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
To: Canedawg
A narcissistic leader is likely to justify the butchering of his own people by claiming that they intended to kill him, undo the revolution, devastate the economy, or the country, etc.
Scary, isn’t it?
It’s almost as if we have “Che Hitler” on our hands. Che was all about killing the “counter-revolutionaries”.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:33:20 AM PDT
by
MrB
(Go Galt now, Bowman later)
To: MrB
"...Che was all about killing the counter-revolutionaries..."As was Bill Ayers' group, the Weathermen. And he was one of the guiding lights of Barack Obama's political career.
But, nothing to see here.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:35:47 AM PDT
by
rlmorel
("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
To: rlmorel
From the gun and ammo sales,
us “counter-revolutionaries”
have no intention of being caught off guard.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:37:45 AM PDT
by
MrB
(Go Galt now, Bowman later)
To: DoughtyOne
Hey D.O...long time.
This is the most bizarre thread I think I've ever read here.
I'm reading from some FReepers we shouldn't believe our lying eyes and except a dangerous move to fascism, socialism and communism. But it's OK because we can reverse it and have suffered worse. And I guess that little speech about not being at war with islam and we never will be was just a prank....ha, ha, he's only kidding.
Truly bizarre
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:38:34 AM PDT
by
Las Vegas Ron
(I'd rather the world hate us then laugh at us)
To: JasonC
Instead you are engaged in the classic rhetorical overreach of the reductio ad Hitler, "like Hitler, a lover of dogs..." In case nobody noticed, the whole point of Godwin is that this *always* happens when one side loses an argument.
The point of Godwin's Law was that people would get into arguments over anything and invoke Hitler and the Nazis, and that was silly. For example, two people might be arguing about whether there should be a leash law for pets, or whether movie theaters should offer both Coke AND Pepsi, and one of the idiots would say, "Well, if you like corporations to have that much control over people, then you're no different from the Nazis. If you think dogs, who were born to be free in the wild, should have to wear chokers, you are no different than Hitler with the Jews."
When you are discussing a situation where there actually are parallels to pre-Nazi Germany, such as Obama wanting a national security force as powerful as the military at his disposal, and Obama firing corporate CEOs, assuming complete control of the company, it would be asinine NOT to note the similarity.
Your attitude reminds me of the "zero-tolerance" policies that so many small-minded bureaucrats engage in, where 10 year old children are suspended from school for drawing a picture of a gun or bringing Tylenol. Such people lack the ability to discern when certain reactions are appropriate, and when they are not, so they engage in the same reaction every time. You have decided that it is ALWAYS tinfoil conspiracy theory to notice any ominous parallels with Nazis, so you'll use that same reaction even when there really ARE parallels.
To: Kansas58
First off I never mentioned the “Black Helicopter Crowd” that was that was ArmymarineMOM, my wife. I don’t hang around with them for the same reason I don’t hang out at prisons and mental institutions. They just ain’t my kinda folks.
You defended your “Big Tent” concept with another “Big Tent” concept. You are right though inclusiveness did give us Obama.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:43:25 AM PDT
by
armymarinedad
(Support, v., To take the side of; to uphold or help.)
To: Borges
The gift exchange with the Brits showed me just how low down, low class these people really are and how very little they understand about the workings of politics or government.
Don't get calmer people, get more riled!
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:44:48 AM PDT
by
HeartlandOfAmerica
(Obama and the Dem Congress will spend $5 trillion every year of his presidency until they break US!)
To: JasonC
In case nobody noticed, the whole point of Godwin is that...I'm still trying to figure out what the hell this Godwin dude has ever done that usenet geeks are still talking about his silly "law" 20 years after the fact.
To: DoughtyOne
LOL! I think the historic whitewash phrase for Mussolini was “Well, at least he made the trains run on time.”
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:45:10 AM PDT
by
abb
("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
To: SnakeDoctor
We have survived civil war, the actual great depression, world war, Soviet communism, Vietnam-era hippies and Obamas liberal predecessors and we will survive Obama.
We survived those things because we did not underestimate their threat to our country (with the exception of the hippies). We saw a threat, and we went full throttle to deal with it. What you seem to be advocating now is a relaxed, "let's just see what happens" posture where we are already assured that we'll be just fine regardless of what we do or what attitude we take. That position is similar to a football team relaxing in the fourth quarter because they have a 10 point lead and figure they can't lose. That is precisely when such teams lose. An overreaction to Obama and his communist yahoos is far, far better than an underreaction.
To: Earthdweller
Is it necessary to call someone a RINO or a communist because you disagree with him on one column?
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:49:16 AM PDT
by
EveningStar
("...If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken / Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools...")
To: Borges
My two cents: Horowitz is more right than wrong. Yes, the press is a huge part of O’s success. But, O knows what his agenda is, and a lot of plans were in place for Day 1. We do the conservative cause a disservice by relegating him to idiocy. Wrong, yes. Naive, yes. But also, shrewd, goal oriented and focused. A thoroughly tough opponent, and we are going to have to be very shrewd, tough and focused to turn this around.
To: Borges
Calm down? Hmmm... NFW!!! Our calmness has been America’s downfall.
Conservatives’ problem is that they’re... well... conservative, and are pretty much for staying out of other people’s business. Our live-and-let-live, free-will-of-man attitude has created huge problems for America. We should be as active as the left-wing whackos have been. They may be over-the-top weird, but at least they’re organized and get their ideas out. I think it’s too late for us.
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:56:59 AM PDT
by
MayflowerMadam
(What the HELL happened to MY COUNTRY?!?)
To: Borges
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posted on
04/06/2009 10:58:08 AM PDT
by
wastedyears
(April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
To: MrB
To: ClearCase_guy
Horowitz has never been a “conservative”, he (like Nixon) is an anti-Communist. There is a very big difference. He has many beliefs people on this site would completely disagree with, but he hates the Left worse than anything.
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posted on
04/06/2009 11:03:45 AM PDT
by
Deb
(Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
To: fr_freak
“It can’t happen here, because it hasn’t happened here.”
It’s a very comforting thought. In a lethal sorta way.
To: Borges
I am calm, David. But when a president and his administration suck, I find it useful to say so. Calmly, pleasantly, and with good humor, yes, I can do that...but these guys suck the big one.
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posted on
04/06/2009 11:05:00 AM PDT
by
RichInOC
(No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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