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Women's Right to Vote, the Beginning of the End for America?
Chico Enterprise Record ^ | 3/29/09 | OneVike

Posted on 03/29/2009 5:51:07 PM PDT by OneVike

From the day the founding Fathers risked their liberty and life by signing the Declaration of Independence, there has been those who have wanted to sink this great ship called the United States of America. Well 143 years later the good ship America took a torpedo hit that at the time seemed like just another glancing blow. What many still consider the greatest step forward in equality for the sexes, was more then just a glancing blow however. It was in fact a deadly strike that entered the very heart of the ship and has been smoldering since. The damage caused by the 19th amendment was slow in its destruction, but after almost 100 years we can now see how complete the destruction really was.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blamethechicks; democrats; feminism; marxism; nannystate; theend; womensvote
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To: TAdams8591; OneVike
From OneVike's homepage, in his own words.....

I have been a Freeper since Feb 1998, and a Republican since my wife's father convinced me that the Democrats have left me. Later I realized that the Democrats never left me, I never had common beliefs with them in the first place. I was just thinking emotionally instead of logically.

It's OK for him to vote and keep his right to vote, because he's a man. Even when he votes emotionally, by his own admission, he can keep his right to vote, but he advocates that women should never have had the vote because they vote *emotionally*.

Being a tad hypocritical, isn't he?

541 posted on 04/02/2009 6:47:40 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
metmom

I answered this charge before, go back and read my comments. It was an opinion piece I wrote for a friends blog, and like I have also said I wish I never had the right to vote as an 18 year old because the uninformed young vote has also contributed to our downfall. As I said, since 1920 men too have become overly emotional in their lives.

In my opinion, giving 18 year old's the right to vote was an emotional response by those who saw all the young men dieing in the Vietnam War that decided that if you can die for your country then you should be able to vote. I attribute that to the feminization of men's thought process.

Same with dropping the age to 18 for drinking, which was the same reason for giving them the right to vote, the dieing for the country sentiment. However men and women, conservative and liberal had no problem getting on board to take their right to drink away, and support raising it back to 21. Again as an emotional vote as it was to give it to them them in the first place.

When I was young I was irrationally emotional, as I got older I began to use logic and wisdom from true experiences. Now I am conservative, the very reason many become conservative when they get older. I don't hide my youthful indiscretions from people. I admit them while pointing out how I grew and saw the error of my ways.

We live in a very emasculated society that does everything based upon their emotions. It all started when men started to cow tow to every emotional whim by the women. Either admit it or not, I don't care anymore.

It is time to drop it. Talk about emotional, you are being consumed by this. metmom, for your own sanity please let it go, because I have and I will now go onto another topic.

I appreciate the passion and love you have for your right to vote, I think you should keep it.

Now I am working on an opinion piece about whether or not the Church should give up their tax exempt status. If you desire to jump all over me for that also, I will welcome it, but this conversation is over. In my mind it is well in the past and I have moved on, I suggest you do the same.

May God's Spirit calm your anger and give you piece.
542 posted on 04/02/2009 9:04:26 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike
"It all started when men started to cow tow to every emotional whim by the women."

No it didn't. It began with the sexual revolution and the growth of the welfare state, mostly implemented by men. How gleeful men were at the prospect of having all the sex they wanted with no consequences, and some employed it with relish. (No emotionalism there, right?) Those consequences are now coming home to roost.

I have found absolutely no support for the premise that men are more logical and less emotional then women, even among the conservative men I know. To me, one of life's great disappointments.

543 posted on 04/02/2009 9:57:09 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: metmom
He will not acknowledge that his premise is incorrect and won't even address my counter argument, so eager is he to place the blame upon women. He's the kind of man my dear and very logical father warned me about.

It wouldn't surprise me if he were one of the many men who embraced the sexual revolution and the consequence-free sex it offered, with great enthusiasm.

And remember, this conversation which he began, is over when he says it is! : )

544 posted on 04/02/2009 10:14:56 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: TAdams8591
How gleeful men were at the prospect of having all the sex they wanted with no consequences, and some employed it with relish. (No emotionalism there, right?)

Right. They don't think with their emotions. They think with their, er....ahhh... hormones. Yeah, that's it, their hormones.....

545 posted on 04/02/2009 10:35:47 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
LOL! I thought of that but decided not to go there, though I'm glad you did! Well, done! : )

Now move on as you have been so commanded!

546 posted on 04/02/2009 10:39:12 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: TAdams8591

Where to? To get my burka?


547 posted on 04/02/2009 10:42:22 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: TAdams8591

Have a nice day, and remember to look for my article on,

“Is it time the Church surrendered its tax exempt status?”

Too long of a title?


548 posted on 04/02/2009 10:54:08 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: buccaneer81

I agree with Ann. In fact, I’d gladly give up the vote if it meant I could get my country back. And while we’re at it, the vote should be limited to landowners, or in some way limited to those who are actually paying the bills.


549 posted on 04/02/2009 10:58:22 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer
One cannot deny the reality of the numbers, Ann is correct about that. She is not correct that giving the vote to women caused the problem to begin with.

Taking the right to vote away from women is about as likely to happen, as taking the vote away from liberals, who truly deserve it. Therefore, offering to give up one's vote in this case is an empty gesture. And I truly resent the men on these threads, foisting most of the blame for our socialistic state upon women, and our "emotional" way of thinking.

Furthermore, all taxpayers, landowners or not, deserve the right to vote. Landownership has nothing to do with how I vote. I vote the same way when I don't own property as when I do. I suspect with most voters non landownership does not have enough of an impact to justify taking away their vote, and is about as likely to happen as are the two examples above.

At the moment I don't own my home. I sold it five years ago. Yet today I received information in the mail from the township in which I live, stating that due to a recently passed ruling, residents must get a permit for a fee for remodeling their kitchens and bathrooms, or pay double the price for the permit if caught without one. That is an outrageous violation of both privacy rights and property ownership, and I have a call into the township to complain and find out how such a ruling passed to begin with, even though, at present, I am not subject to the ruling.

Such discussions about taking away people's right to vote from various groups, are mere wishful thinking and do nothing but engender ill will and divisiveness among conservatives, at a time when it is imperative to remain united IMHO.

550 posted on 04/02/2009 12:16:36 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: TAdams8591

Let’s face it. Women like you and I are a small minority.


551 posted on 04/02/2009 12:25:08 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: metmom
Your post is a reminder to me. On the beer and babes thread, a male poster, posted a woman in a burka to me, because I dare suggest that posting soft pornographic pictures of women was inappropriate for a family oriented political site like FR, and with this in mind, should refrain themselves from doing so.

Notice I wasn't advocating banning beer or bikini's from American life, and yet the male poster, along with many other male posters, emotionally responded as if I had.

552 posted on 04/02/2009 12:28:36 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: lady lawyer
Yes, lady lawyer, I read your comments and you're good. Considering all the logical women with whom I am acquainted, you and several others would be at the top of my list, no doubt. : ) In fact you'd be at the top of my list for logical people I know. : )

But my point is, the men aren't any more logical. They are sometimes more knowledgeable regarding particular subjects, but not more logical. And they are just as apt to react emotionally.

553 posted on 04/02/2009 12:39:38 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: TAdams8591

Right back at you, as far as logic.

But I’m not so sure I agree with your point about men and women.

Men can be emotional, sure. But I think they are less emotional than women. I think there has been research to show that men tend to be dispassionate problem solvers while women think about feelings and relationships.

Plus, I don’t think men are as likely to be looking for someone to take care of them.


554 posted on 04/02/2009 12:47:44 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: TAdams8591
Seems like some of those have *forgotten* (or chose to ignore) this inconvenient little disclaimer found on FR's homepage.......

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If they want to view soft porn, there's other sites they can go to rather than doing it here where it's discouraged and inappropriate and then complaining about it when they are called on it.

The thread got pulled. Who was right?

It'd be interesting to see them post like that to the mods....

555 posted on 04/02/2009 1:01:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: TAdams8591

Isn’t it odd how men carry on about women reacting emotionally when men’s big problem is anger? Like anger isn’t an emotional response?

Yet men just cannot stand to be challenged or bested and they are, they blow up and what happens? A big fight or someone gets blown away.


556 posted on 04/02/2009 1:04:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: lady lawyer; TAdams8591
But I think they are less emotional than women. I think there has been research to show that men tend to be dispassionate problem solvers while women think about feelings and relationships.

The problem is conflating emotionalism and logic with morals and political positions.

Less emotional doesn't by default mean more conservative. The liberal/conservative issue is one of morals and values, not mental, psychological, or emotional make up.

That's why the whole issue of blaming women for the mess the country is in because they are more emotional voters, doesn't work.

I'd take an emotional conservative over a unemotional liberal any day. ( I was going to say logical liberal, but realized that that would be an oxymoron...)

557 posted on 04/02/2009 1:10:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I think women are more likely to respond to the “feel good” rhetoric and the phony compassion of the Left. They are less likely to think in a straight line to the inevitable statist results. I could be wrong, and all I have is anecdotal evidence. But there must be some reason for the advantage the Democrats have among women.

What about the fact that so many women without men are looking for someone to take care of them? I think Nature —and the women’s own crappy choices — put women in that position.

I have six grown children. I must say, when I was pregnant and taking care of little ones, I craved security. Fortunately, I had a good husband and a stable marriage, so I was still a conservative.

And now that my children are grown, I mightly resent paying enough in taxes every year to support two or three skanks who can’t keep their knees together.


558 posted on 04/02/2009 1:20:28 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer

I’ve seen enough welfare in my life to know that the sperm donor deadbeats like it that way as well.

They get all the drugs and sex they want from these skanks for free while they live with them. The skanks collect welfare and support the sperm donors who are living with them.

It’s a neat little system for the guys. They don’t have to work, they have no responsibility, no pressure, no accountability, nothing beyond the immediate gratification of their hormonal impulses.

When someone expects anything out of them, they’re on to the next tramp, leaving behind a trail of progeny for the state to support because they are too lazy and irresponsible to do it themselves.

Men (for lack of a better term) like that are going to vote as liberal as the rest to keep up the gravy train. It’s not about emotionalism. It’s about personal responsibility and values.


559 posted on 04/02/2009 1:29:32 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Speaking of hormones — and completely changing this topic — lol — I wonder-— if a woman cannot finish, especially if it’s because she’s tired, it’s not a big deal. But, if a guy doesn’t it’s a huge deal. On that topic do so many men really have erectile dysfunction to require so many commercials?


560 posted on 04/02/2009 1:41:42 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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