Posted on 03/29/2009 2:35:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
I understand there is a new anti-freeper site started by disgruntled former and present Mormon FReepers and it is their intention of bankrupting FR during the coming Freepathon by withholding their donations and disrupting our activities. Well, all I can say is, if they feel that badly against FR, by all means they should withhold their donations and drop out of FR. But it they attempt to disrupt our operations I will guarantee they will no longer be members of FR. If that is their wish, so be it.
I'm not going to try to defend FR from their claims of religious persecution, but I will say that Mormons have and always have had free reign to post their threads on FR just as all other religious groups have enjoyed. Free Republic defends the right to freedom of religion and has always welcomed religious discussion and always will. And Mormons have always been welcome here. I have absolutely nothing against Mormons.
If you are one who has left or is leaving, I wish you well, but disruption of FR is not welcome and will not be tolerated.
And this is not the first time such activity has been attempted by groups of disgruntled former FReepers. Good luck with that. There is always some group that feels FR should be bent to their way of thinking and end up saying my way or the highway. Well, I don't know about you, but I'm not changing so I guess it's the highway. Is it Feb 8 yet?
God bless.
My old screen name would have made the list.
Welcome to FProy22Republic!
And pulling the old victim card...
Surprised I am not...
I guess. :)
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I'm confused and a bit curious. Joseph Smith taught that Jesus “IS” what?
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Before I can answer you question, I must back up and insure you understand that we teach that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are not the same being as taught by many other Christians.
Because of that difference in our teachings, non of what was said by myself, or the other poster, has anything to do with Jesus.
Before the beginning of this earth, we believe that we, you,me, and all other people that have been, are, or will be on this earth, were spirit children of Heavenly Father, the one who is our God. We believe that Jesus was the firstborn of our brothers.
Perhaps. But your post didn't come in as one addressed to "ALL." If you had done this, your above comment would make more sense. But the fact is you singled out two posters who do tend to dialogue. Therefore, your characterization of their posts was not reflective of how they operate.
Secondly, Apollos did more than simply "reason":
...spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately. 27When Apollos wanted to go to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples there to welcome him. On arriving, he was a great help to those who by grace had believed. 28For he vigorously refuted the Jews in public debate, proving from the Scriptures that Jesus was the Christ. (Acts 18:25-28)
Apollos "spoke boldly" and "vigorously refuted" the Jews. (Why is it you seem to hone in on words that only match your previous parameters?) Are you going to claim that Apollos went beyond your comfortability "keyword" level? Or is it simply easier for you to tangle with posters in here than for you to concede that you're uncomfortable with the approach Apollos took in Acts 18?
Likewise he advised them not to cast their pearls before swine in a similar vein.
I'm sorry, but I don't deem LDS to be "swine." They are people of tremendous worth whom God loves.
I like this from sev:
To me FR has become not much more than a great and spacious building. The mocking and scorn from there is laid on pretty thick.
What I do find interesting about it is the timing of this post by Jim Robinson. His quarterly fundraising starts tomorrow, and his base knows where their bread is buttered. This seems like nothing more than a cleverly disguised plea for money, to help offset those wily Mormons. It’s working to, from the looks of the 1200 plus replies.
So, thank you for the offer, but I had already taken up that offer from the Lord, as He asked us to in the Bible. My answer was as deep & profound as one would expect from an answer from the Lord. He promised it would be. I no longer had to rely solely on my own intellect & rational for the answers in a very imperfect world. My creator spoke to me. I will be forever indebted to Him for that.
This might ratchet up the accusations against FreeRepublic noticeably.
This was posted by Freeper Sevenbak on that site:
Today's development, a FRAM report listing all anti's that continually post anti Mormon stuff is causing a ruckus, and the founder of FR, has posted a diatribe against it, seeking additional financial support for FR.
So this thread was posted by Jim Rob just to garner financial support?
Is that what you think, seven?
To be honest, I think most of this derives, at least for some of them, from the total failure they had at convincing us to support Romney. I guess they thought they had a lock, that we all would buy in just as they had.
Brigham Young who outranks you, taught that Adam was God....Here Apaostle Bruce R. McKonkie who also outranks you talks about it.
"...I am a great admirer of Brigham Young and a great believer in his doctrinal presentations .... He was a mighty prophet.... Nonetheless, as Joseph Smith so pointedly taught, a prophet is not always a prophet, only when he is acting as such. Prophets are men and they make mistakes. Sometimes they err in doctrine .... Sometimes a prophet gives personal views which are not endorsed and approved by the Lord. Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits, and all the related things that the cultists ascribe to him. This [i.e., Brigham Young's teaching on Adam], however, is not true. He expressed views that are out of harmony with the gospel." (Letter by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, dated Feb. 19, 1981, pages 5 and 6; photographically reproduced in LDS Apostle Confesses Brigham Young Taught Adam-God Doctrine)
What part of “In the BEGINNING...” is unclear?
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You do understand that we teach that Jesus is the word spoken of.
That you and I and Jesus were around as spirit children of our loving Father, who is our God, and how He had Jesus take charge in creating the earth under His guidance.
Is this your understanding of out teachings?
They (the leaders of Mormonism) have spent many years setting Republicans up to a Romney nomination.
Millions in PR commercials, taking over the olympics, heck perhaps even exposing the fraud so they could be the heroes.
They are angry that we aren’t playing the game by their rules.
And in those big families of yours, were unsolicited comments from another family member that had nothing to do w/ the argument welcomed? Were they received well? If so, you’re an anomaly as I’m sure you well know.
Don’t doubt that I would use the word spam w/ you in a face to face, that’s how I feel & I never hide behind keyboards. Although I would extend those sentiments in a loving way :)
I can see you’re in a sandbox kind of mood. I’m not. Thanks for the discourse. I wish you the very best today.
My dad wore long johns all year around. If he stopped, he’d catch a cold. He worked in the college heating plant for years and walked back and forth to work. Don’t know how he did it for 40 years.
“...I am a great admirer of Brigham Young and a great believer in his doctrinal presentations .... He was a mighty prophet.... Nonetheless, as Joseph Smith so pointedly taught, a prophet is not always a prophet, only when he is acting as such. Prophets are men and they make mistakes. Sometimes they err in doctrine .... Sometimes a prophet gives personal views which are not endorsed and approved by the Lord. Yes, President Young did teach that Adam was the father of our spirits, and all the related things that the cultists ascribe to him. This [i.e., Brigham Young’s teaching on Adam], however, is not true. He expressed views that are out of harmony with the gospel.” (Letter by Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, dated Feb. 19, 1981, pages 5 and 6; photographically reproduced in LDS Apostle Confesses Brigham Young Taught Adam-God Doctrine)
I'll do it.
Heretics and cultists are enemies of Christianity.
The second step in defeating an enemy is to dehumanize him in the eyes of the populace.
Associating the enemy with derogatory names aids in dehumanization.
Why you assume I was intending to "help" is quite beyond me.
"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" Bruce R. McConkie (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, pp.546-47).
In the light of their understanding that God is a procreating personage of flesh and bone, latter-day prophets have made it clear that despite what it says in Matthew 1:20, the Holy Ghost was not the father of Jesus.... The Savior was fathered by a personage of flesh and bone, and was literally what Nephi said he was, "Son of the Eternal Father" (Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, Autumn, 1967, pp.100-101).
President Brigham Young had this to say concerning the birth of Christ: "The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband" (Deseret News, October 10, 1866).
Brigham Young added that "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood—was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p.115).
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