Posted on 03/28/2009 7:56:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Predation Did Not Come from Evolution
by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*
Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.
The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...
(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...
This is what it must be like talking to a witch doctor : )
I am more than happy to go back to my original point which is that there is no center to the Universe or the surface of the earth.
You must have confused my beliefs with your own. Your buddy Hitler was an ardent follower of Darwin and his survival of the fittest mentality. Of course that’s what liberals do... try to claim everyone else is caught in sin that envelopes them.
Do you know what is odd about your statement? On my own (aside from GGG's posts), I give the TOE no thought at all. It has little to no impact on my life. I actually spend most of my free thinking time on my books, trying to figure out of to make solar troughs cheaper, or how to bring a smile to my wife's lips.
Listening to you young earther's, it is almost like I am missing weekly Darwinist Meetings down at the Satanist center, where they sacrifice willing maidens. Actually Satanists wouldn't sacrifice willing maidens now would they? But that is a different topic : )
“Do you know what is odd about your statement? On my own (aside from GGG’s posts), I give the TOE no thought at all. It has little to no impact on my life.”
That’s odd...
I was looking for conservative posts anywhere in your recent past and can find none going all the way back to March 8th... several pages worth. Only posts concerning TOE as you call it.
Seems like it takes up a lot of your thought life... seems like you have an agenda here... seems like...
Then you agree that you worship the God of Abram, the same God that the Jews and Moslems worship?
By the by... Your Rabbi must be very proud.
He is dead, but I did learn a lot from him. He was also a well respected physicist and got a lot of his inspiration from the Tanakh.
He had a saying that each verse had 70 true interpretations. Or maybe it was 70x70 correct interpretations, I forget : (
Make up your mind why don't you? Do you think you are praising me by calling me conceited? How exactly do you mean the word?
If you are going to insult me at least be a man about it and make it bold and interesting. Give me something I haven't heard before and I will praise and respect you for it : )
The God of the Jews? Absolutely.
The God that the Moslems worship... not the same God. Just because you say you worship God does not make it so. When God is distorted and the Word is twisted to mean something it was never meant to mean then that is by definition not the same God and not the same Word of God.
Sorry to hear about your Rabbi. Sounds as though you were close to him.
I tend to only post when I disagree with people. This is a conservative site and I tend to agree with the vast majority of posters. I don't know your personal beliefs, but I would be willing to guess that we agree on just about everything from gun rights to opposing RINO's. I also read CA and WUWT regularly and have yet to make a single posting, even though I am studying R and RegEM.
“I would be willing to guess that we agree on just about everything”
I’d venture a guess you’re right. It just riles the heck out of me when someone feels it’s their duty to bash folks who believe in God. And there’s several of you who do that on a consistent basis.
I just don’t see the benefit unless it is a certain strain of elitism. Again... what is it you are trying to save people from? Is it your goal to steal faith from others because of your own unbelief?
I was raised a Mormon, so technically he wasn't my "Rabbi", but that is semantics. He was a good friend and I learned a lot from him.
Not exactly... Sperm and ovum are... It still requires gametes... HETEROSEXUAL biology...
But, if you like to confuse the issue, name any other mammal besides humans that manipulate genetics without sexual intercourse.
Oh, and the big bang theory. I’m not sure, but I do recall the astronomer who came up with the idea was a Jesuit priest...
There you go again, with the fey little protestations of insult. Go find a divan and swoon for a while, you’ll probably survive, perhaps a bit stiffnecked, maybe a little ringing in your ears. Be a man about it.
You posted that you wanted proof of speciation, and I've provided it. Now you are saying that despite being given the evidence you asked for, it's not sufficient.
Accepting the theory of evolution is not a matter of "belief," it's a matter of looking at the evidence.
I will admit to the occasional bashing : ) but I try to do so with an ulterior motive. Just to try and destroy someones faith is wrong, it leaves an obligation that I can't pay.
I just don’t see the benefit unless it is a certain strain of elitism. Again... what is it you are trying to save people from? Is it your goal to steal faith from others because of your own unbelief?
No not at all. I am not anti belief in God. How can I say this? I am anti some peoples literal interpretation that they know the mind of God, because they read a scripture that confirmed what they believe.
The bottom line seems to be the imposition of beliefs. I am against the imposition of beliefs and no I don't think evolution theory (or science) should be forced on anyone. Neither should religion of any kind be forced on anyone.
Unfortunately we live in a world where other peoples beliefs are constantly being forced on us and our children. There is a simple solution though, we each need to take responsibility for our own lives and accept or reject beliefs based on our own understanding and knowledge. Knowledge can only be acquired through questioning and observing. Which brings me full circle back to my earlier statement that my purpose is to get people to ask a question and not assume that they already have the answer.
Better, but I am sure you can really rise to the occasion if you try. Let it all come out, I am one of those evil child murdering atheists, worthy of your best work, so lets see it : )
“Accepting the theory of evolution is not a matter of “belief,” it’s a matter of looking at the evidence.”
I think I’ve been very clear. There is no widespread evolution and there is not evidence of it. I have also explained I don’t know everything there is to know about it, but what I do know is that there is little to no current evidence of any past species to species change. Let’s discount the fossil record. There is not sufficient evidence of species evolving into another species among the current surviving species groups. You would have to believe there are scores of animals and mutations of animals hiding in plain view to strain the imagination to that point. The faith comes in when you can look at a man and a monkey, see absolutely no intermediate species and assume evolution. Call it what you will, but that is faith.
Because you post an example on a minute scale of what is being called evolution you expect me to completely abandon reason? Again, I appreciate the heck out of the example and the discussion, but I would need more proof based on the tremendous implications of evolution. People who wish to believe need far less proof. That is the definition of faith.
i’m not limiting myself to mammilian reproduction. Perhaps you’ve heard of assexual reproduction.
Viruses are the masters of inserting new DNA into organisms large and small and have been doing it for hundreds of millions of years.
“Which brings me full circle back to my earlier statement that my purpose is to get people to ask a question and not assume that they already have the answer.”
As you assume you have them all. You have decided for the world there is no God... therefore there is no God.
Even the statement above proves the conceit in your heart. You, yourself do not go through life assuming you do not have the answer. You are convinced in what you believe. Not only that, but you assume you have the answers for everyone... there is no God... evolution is true... the word of God is a myth.
Admittedly, I believe the Bible is the correct answer and I make no apologies for that. If I do not believe in what I profess then my beliefs are merely supposition.
Well I'll be danged ... you really do consider yourself a gen-yoo-wine, cipherin' double-nought something or other. Hilarious though that might be, you're provoking nothing but pity along about now.
"Viruses" aren't even alive, they're stray bits of DNA that cannot replicate without a host. Yet you attribute mastery, forethought essentially, to them. Rather anthropomorphic, wouldn't you say?
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