Predation Did Not Come from Evolution

ICR ^ | March 28, 2009 | Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.

[GodGunsGuts]

Predation Did Not Come from Evolution

by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*

Although the origin of predation is poorly understood, it is incorrect to attribute to young-earth creation the assertion that predatory animals quickly and recently evolved the physical features necessary for predation. It is a common fallacy that carnivores evolved from a change in form and function. No physical evolution was required to change herbivores to predators--it was merely a change in behavior.

The view that an alteration of genomes and phenotypes, such as sharp teeth and claws, would have been required to supply the physical features for predation from herbivorous features common in plant-eating animals is not correct. The shape of the teeth, the ability to run fast for short distances, and all the other physical attributes given to predators can be used for acquiring plant food sources as well. A few examples of mammal diets will verify this quite well...

[hellbender]

Not observable, in other words?

Not by any of the ancestors of us mortal earthlings. It's kind of hard to observe when you're being pelted with rocks the size of mountains, for one thing.

[Oztrich Boy]

OK you had me going there for a bit. Excelsior!

[Jeff Gordon]

As if the digestive systems of animals changed with a finger snap as well.

Oh dear. A fact. Facts are not allowed. I am sure that this is stated somewhere in "scriptures."

[Oztrich Boy]

There are irreputable arguments against Darwin

irreputable adjective Having a bad reputation, dishonourable, not respectable

I'm not going to disagree with that.

[Gordon Greene]

“The fact that a story is a “myth” or simplification does not mean that it isn’t true!”

This is the most assinine of the evolutionheads arguments. I keep hearing it over and over as they attempt to justify their religious atheism, but it doesn’t wash.

These geniuses are either too lame to take the time to look up the terms they use or assume their audience is too ignorant to know that words mean things...

How’s it feel being wrong again, hellbender?

[Jaime2099]

People who believe the young earth tend to be simpletons..

If young earth believers are simpletons, I hate to think what a Human Evolutionist is. I would say brain dead, but I do not want to insult those that are brain dead.

[LeGrande]

Careful, you're sounding rather alarmingly geocentric there, LeGrande.

Saying that there is no center is geocentric? That is really a stretch, even for you young earth believers : )

[LeGrande]

Admittedly it is hard to visualize Einsteins curved space-time, that doesn’t make it any less real though.

Visualizing a globe is much easier. When people thought that the Earth was flat, as the writers of the Bible did, it made sense to talk of the center or the four corners of the earth. Now that we know that the Earth is a sphere it simply doesn’t make any sense to prefer any point over another. It is all relative : )

The same goes for the Universe. The Universe is curved in on itself, a sphere in four dimensions. Just as any point on the surface of the earth could arbitrarily claim to be the center, any point in the Universe could claim to be the center. They are both meaningless claims and simply point to the ignorance of the claimants.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Rabbits are mean.

If you want to really keep cats out of your yard, they are better than a dog...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

One thing is sure. The earth wasn’t always “here.” The earth came from “somewhere else.”

If the earth came from somewhere else, then life also came from somewhere else...

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

I can reduce the big bang idea down to a simple sentence...

It is an inadvertent admission the universe is an immaculate conception.

[Gordon Greene]

“When people thought that the Earth was flat, as the writers of the Bible did”

Isaiah 40:22 (King James Version)

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours... proof please?

[Gordon Greene]

“It is an inadvertent admission the universe is an immaculate conception.”

That is funny!!!

And also incredibly descriptive of the simplistic boiling down of evolution theory. Evolutionists believe... faith... more like wishful thinking. They take examples of variations in species and rattle a few bones together to support their shaky faith. They get militantly defensive when asked to show hard evidence to support their religion.

It would be comical if the consequences were not so dire. I’m surprised they have a forum to support their proselytization... but as they say, “it takes all kinds”.

Not sure I agree. Of course, Jesus did commune with sinners. How else do you win them over?

[Oztrich Boy]

The heavens are a curtain, that has been shaped into a tent?

OK have it your way.

[Gordon Greene]

“The heavens are a curtain, that has been shaped into a tent?

OK have it your way.”

I suppose that’s an answer to the call for proof the writers of the bible believed the earth was flat.

No answers... just name calling and sarcasm. Evolution=empty mind. Empty minds=no answers.

Show me the proof, Darwin.

[Gordon Greene]

“Crickets...”

Find anything yet?

I’ll be away for a bit worshipping the mythical God of the Old Testament, but look forward to your reply.

[hellbender]

What terms did I use incorrectly? Why don't you take the time to look up "myth?" There are several meanings, and the one that myth=something untrue is well down the list. Check out:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/myth

You people are threatening the survival of Christianity with your arrogant stubbornness. Whether the earth is 6000, or 12000, 100,000 years old, or whatever, has absolutely no relevance to man's need for salvation. The real "moral" of Genesis is that we are broken, we can't fix ourselves, but God would provide a remedy. Yet you are willing to let the Gospel be held up to ridicule by linking it inexorably to an idea (young earth) which is utterly indefensible scientifically.

I am certainly not an evolutionhead. As a scientist, I find the evidence for evolution pretty convincing, and that for an ancient earth overwhelming. However, I have posted repeatedly against the teaching of evolution in secondary (let alone middle) school, because it is anything but fundamental science, and no one at that level really needs it; what they need is math, physics, and chemistry. (The Left and other materialists want it taught because it can be used to support their low opinion of mankind.) I have been ridiculed by real evo-lovers for taking that stand. I also once posted that the co-discoverer of the MRI, a genius who has done more for mankind than all the evolutionary scientists put together, was a young-earth creationist! That got me trashed by the evo-fanatics. I also posted in defense of the Pennsylvania community which wanted ID taught in its schools. I've also posted in support of people who use logic and science to question evolution. Many evolutionists are more interested in pumping dogma into the heads of the young than doing real science. I suspect they are pedagogues rather than working scientists. Real science is not dogma, and real religion can't be mere dogma either. The core of Christianity is love of God and love of man. You can't get people to show those qualities by memorizing some verses, or burning incense and chanting something. Love has to be modeled by believers, just as Christ did for us.

[LeGrande]

I’ll show you mine if you show me yours... proof please?

Do you really think it is a challenge? LOL

"take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it (Job 38:12-13) A flat earth has edges, a globe doesn't.

"[T]he devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them" (Matthew 4:1-12) That works for a flat earth it doesn't work for a globe : )

If you disagree with me, why don't you find a nice clear scripture that defines the Earth as a globe or ball circling the Sun. I would be happy to retract my claim : ) You do claim that the Bible is the complete and perfect word of God don't you? LOL

[Oztrich Boy]

“Crickets...”

"How can they see to bat in this light?"

I'm not playing your game of looking at a verse that is clearly figurative, taking one word out of it and insisting that word alone should be taken literally (according to your interpretation of literal NB circle is not a sphere)

[Ditter]

I watched a Red Tailed hawk pick up a squirrel off the ground and he got about 20 in the air before the squirrel wiggled free and fell. The squirrel was stunned but managed to hobble off. I would have had to have a camera in my hand and focused to catch it on tape. I thank God every day for the natural world around us, it is fascinating.