Posted on 03/25/2009 12:34:07 PM PDT by Fiddlstix
Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden
By Jonas Clark
Is this the change you really voted for? President Obama has only been in office for two months. Now we have HR 1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.
This bills title is called Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE). It forms what some are calling Obamas Youth Brigade. Obamas plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.
The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization. That means no church attendance or witnessing.
Again, is this what America voted for? Here is part of the HR1388 Bills wording:
SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:
(1) Attempting to influence legislation.
(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
That list looks similar to what one might see in the armed forces meaning that as military members troops cannot lobby, organize protests and such.
Obviously you interpret this to mean that participants cannot go to church....but could it mean that participants cannot try to make a church within the organization, or cannot represent the organization and lobby, protest, etc?
It is still a bad bill, beginning to end.
“So, what are they going to do to someone who simply ignores the prohibitions on free speech?”
You know those prisons down south that don’t exist?
The bolsheviks writing zerObama’s decrees just couldn’t help themselves, could they?
Lots of Christian, Jewish, Buddhist and Muslim kids who practice their religion and engage in volunteer work with their churches/temples won’t be eligible for “federal govt guaranteed” student loans, will they? I suppose Boy Scouts will be outlawed by then.
Next, seniors who don’t sign up for tutoring, babysitting and sidewalk sweeping may face cuts in their benefits?
While I loathe this Hitler Youth Group idea, I don’t see in the prohibitions cited anything that prevents a participant from attending church.
Sorry but that's impossible. I may believe that the bill prohibits caounting church work as volunteer work but not that it prohibits attendance or proselytizing oor preaching.
Read the bill yourself, I did. It prohibits proseltyzing, preaching, building a church....it does not prohibit church attendance (I never said it did).
“This stuff is happening way to fast.”
There isn’t any speed that makes this tolerable.
It’s designed that way. It is like being in a boxing match. One guy (Hussein)is punching the other (the American citizens) from the right and the left and the right again, that the one getting pummelled (US) has no idea where the next punch is coming from because so we have no way to react or defend ourselves.
I din’t see your #26 before I posted, you beat me to it!
Great minds think alike, eh?
I believe seeing what they may (very well) be up to as highly accurate and the 0 admin is less than honest. :>)
Let’s see:
indentured servitude - Check
free speech squelched - Check
losing the right to petition the government for redress of grievances - Check
no religious freedom - Check
Taking away God given rights - Check
But the Supreme Court will let this bill pass - after all, what’s the big deal about the Bill of Rights....
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
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This seems blatantly unconstitutional. Even civil servants and soldiers have a right to free exercise of religion outside working hours.
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Very fast and it is very scary!
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I think that's it. Intentionally ambiguous. Rush it through. Get it passed. Mandatory if you want school loans. Then after the ranks of GIVE volunteers swell, then iron out the 'details', citing individual instances such as that one person giving religious instruction, and use that to set new precedence for how to clarify the ambiguities. That's the dark version of events that I hope don't come to pass.
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