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FAA: 17 dead in a plane crash in Montana
aP via Breitbart ^ | 22 Mar, 2009 | n/a

Posted on 03/22/2009 4:13:39 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

BUTTE, Mont. (AP) - A Federal Aviation Administration spokesman says 17 people are dead in a plane crash in Montana. Spokesman Mike Fergus says the single engine turboprop plane departed from Orville, Calif., and that the pilot had filed a flight plan showing a final destination of Bozeman.

Fergus says the pilot canceled his flight plan at some point and headed for Butte. The plane crashed about 500 feet from the airport while attempting to land and caught fire.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; US: California; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: butte; planecrash
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To: kc8ukw
as soon as I saw the pic above, had the same thought. One seat on either side of aisle - don't think so.
41 posted on 03/22/2009 5:46:00 PM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: TommyDale
From the story:

"Spokesman Mike Fergus says the single engine turboprop plane departed from Orville, Calif. ..."

42 posted on 03/22/2009 5:52:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: buccaneer81

That can carry over 15 people?


43 posted on 03/22/2009 6:09:19 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: SkyDancer

Did you hear about this?


44 posted on 03/22/2009 6:09:53 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: wastedyears
That can carry over 15 people?

According to the specs, 12, including crew. There may have been kids sitting on laps.

45 posted on 03/22/2009 6:16:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: wastedyears

Ya and thanks ... trying to follow up on it ... not enough info .... media all over the place .. waiting for FAA and NTSB to announce ....


46 posted on 03/22/2009 6:17:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

Ice and running out of fuel are ruled out.

Witnesses said the plane did some radical turns with a low attitude before diving towards the ground.

I’m thinking general engine failure.


47 posted on 03/22/2009 6:32:27 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: wastedyears

Maybe he was hot-dogging, showing off to the kids ...


48 posted on 03/22/2009 6:34:10 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wastedyears

I’ve always wondered too, why are so many cemetery’s located near GA airports ... hmmmm


49 posted on 03/22/2009 6:35:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyDancer

If so, the guy went down below while the others went to the clouds.

Very stupid and irresponsible to do that with children on board, especially when heavy.


50 posted on 03/22/2009 6:37:34 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: GOP Poet
I have family buried in the Holy Cross Cemetery in which they crashed..

Me, too.

51 posted on 03/22/2009 6:38:30 PM PDT by choirboy
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To: buccaneer81

I read (in the foreign press!) that most of the passengers were children on some kind of ski outing.


52 posted on 03/22/2009 6:38:51 PM PDT by livius
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To: driftdiver
“An eyewitness to the crash told The Montana Standard the plane was doing steep angle turns and then went into a nose dive.

Not sure why he was doing steep turns, maybe a circling approach to the airport (if the weather wasn't good). Or maybe just a close-in visual pattern to land.

But, stall speed increases rapidly as bank angle steepens. If he was already slow, you get a stall on one wing, while the other wing is still generating lift. The result is a spin. Recovery takes 1500-2000 feet under the best of circumstances. If you aren't higher than that above the ground, it's over.

Stall-spin accidents happen most often on the turn from base to final (90 degree turn), because you are already low (500 feet AGL) and slowing to landing speed.

If he was making a visual approach, that would explain why he was making the turns: a standard pattern entry and landing downwind leg, base leg, and final approach (two 90 degree turns). If he makes a crosswind entry to the pattern, that adds one more 90 degree turn.

53 posted on 03/22/2009 6:42:34 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: wastedyears; SkyDancer
I’m thinking general engine failure.

My first guess, on limited information, is a stall-spin while turning to final approach. See my posting:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2212276/posts?page=53#53

54 posted on 03/22/2009 6:45:59 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

So can you explain why he would have 17 people on a plane with a capacity of 9? If there were children he may not have been over the weight limit but there’s still not enough seats.


55 posted on 03/22/2009 6:48:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
So can you explain why he would have 17 people on a plane with a capacity of 9? If there were children he may not have been over the weight limit but there’s still not enough seats.

No clue about that. There is apparently a configuration with 9 passengers and 2 pilots. Maybe there were a small children being held on laps.

56 posted on 03/22/2009 6:51:01 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

Or he was trying to bleed off airspeed and altitude. That would put him ripe for a stall.


57 posted on 03/22/2009 6:56:50 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: SkyDancer

saves time ?


58 posted on 03/22/2009 7:11:27 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Jet Jaguar

My company operates 5 Pilatus PC-12s. They are excellent aircraft, powered by the most reliable engine in operation - the Pratt & Whitney PT6. The plane is not capable of holding 17 pax. There are some commuter configs operating in Canada but still don’t hold that many people. FWIW, I don’t believe there has ever been a single engine turbine powered airplane fatality due to engine failure.


59 posted on 03/22/2009 7:29:30 PM PDT by IFly4Him
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To: Jet Jaguar

My company operates 5 Pilatus PC-12s. They are excellent aircraft, powered by the most reliable engine in operation - the Pratt & Whitney PT6. The plane is not capable of holding 17 pax. There are some commuter configs operating in Canada but still don’t hold that many people. FWIW, I don’t believe there has ever been a single engine turbine powered airplane fatality due to engine failure.


60 posted on 03/22/2009 7:29:32 PM PDT by IFly4Him
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