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The Problem With Flogging A.I.G.
The New York Times ^ | 3/20/2009 | Joe Nocera

Posted on 03/22/2009 6:29:44 AM PDT by nicolezmomma

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By week’s end, I was more depressed about the financial crisis than I’ve been since last September. Back then, the issue was the disintegration of the financial system, as the Lehman bankruptcy set off a terrible chain reaction. Now I’m worried that the political response is making the crisis worse. The Obama administration appears to have lost its grip on Congress, while the Treasury Department always seems caught off guard by bad news.

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How is the political reaction to the crisis making it worse? Let us count the ways.

IT IS DESTROYING VALUE During his testimony on Wednesday, Mr. Liddy pointed out that much of the money the government turned over to A.I.G. was a loan, not a gift. The company’s goal, he kept saying, was to pay that money back. But how? Mr. Liddy’s plan is to sell off the healthy insurance units — or, failing that, give them to the government to sell when they can muster a good price.

In other words, it is in the taxpayers’ best interest to position A.I.G. as a company with many profitable units, worth potentially billions, and one bad unit that needs to be unwound. Which, by the way, is the truth. But as Mr. Ely puts it, “the indiscriminate pounding that A.I.G. is taking is destroying the value of the company.” Potential buyers are wary. Customers are going elsewhere. Employees are looking to leave. Treating all of A.I.G. like Public Enemy No. 1 is a pretty dumb way for a majority shareholder to act when he hopes to sell the company for top dollar.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: aig; joenocera; nocera
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Amazingly good assessment in the New York Times.
1 posted on 03/22/2009 6:29:44 AM PDT by nicolezmomma
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To: nicolezmomma

You load sixteen tons
and what do you get?
Another day older
and deeper in debt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boXa8c6OuRQ


2 posted on 03/22/2009 6:59:20 AM PDT by DGHoodini (God's gonna getcha!)
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To: nicolezmomma

a little credit where credit (for this “crisis) is due, so we don’t lose perspective (3 part video, beginning with Bear-Stearns final days)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUKSU1qahgE


3 posted on 03/22/2009 7:01:56 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: nicolezmomma

meanwhile people on this site hurl invectives at some AIG executive in a che t-shirt who was brought in to clean up the mess...focus, people! don’t waste time on such diversions


4 posted on 03/22/2009 7:04:27 AM PDT by SHOOKS22
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To: nicolezmomma

>Treating all of A.I.G. like Public Enemy No. 1 is a pretty dumb way for a majority shareholder to act when he hopes to sell the company for top dollar.

Very true. The government’s actions here make NO sense... unless it’s just stirring up public dissent.


5 posted on 03/22/2009 7:05:06 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nicolezmomma

Thanks for posting. My attitude towards the Times being what it is, I would never have seen this very trenchant analysis of what’s wrong with the lynch mob attitude towards AIG.


6 posted on 03/22/2009 7:05:59 AM PDT by tanuki (The only color of a leader that should matter is the color of his spine.)
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To: tanuki

There have been several good articles in the times lately from Eleanor Clift, Frank Rich, Brooks and now this one. I wonder if Carlos Slim is in the editorial office kicking butt?


7 posted on 03/22/2009 7:15:13 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: OneWingedShark
The government's action is an eye opener...The gov will do what they want..working people be damned.

If you give a tax rebate to 95% of the population....then "fee" the same typical "working man" to death...what is the typical WORKING man's net? What is the "poor man's" net?? Who lost??

8 posted on 03/22/2009 7:17:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car.)
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To: nicolezmomma

This after how many front pages bashing AIG?? Even the Bankrupt Times can spot the hypocrisy in this.

Pray for America


9 posted on 03/22/2009 7:24:56 AM PDT by bray (Join the Rebel Republican Movement!)
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To: nicolezmomma

Yup, dead on. The trouble is that it didn’t occur to these a-holes back in 2006 that the government majority had just been handed over to 100% incompetent, reckless, corrupt demagogues. They’re a little late to the party. Screw ‘em.


10 posted on 03/22/2009 8:06:40 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: nicolezmomma; All

this AIG faux outrage is the new crystal nicht (sp?)

think about it folks, we have the new scapegoats to blame.

The next step is some disaster attack on the USA which can be blamed on conservatives or americans themselves.

(remember all those leftists who said the usa had it comming? if gore was in charge the phantom domestic militias would have been blamed and osama bin ladden would never have been mentioned)


11 posted on 03/22/2009 8:13:57 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: nicolezmomma

The New York Times knows that if the Obama Administration is allowed to destroy the financial sector, NY is going to suffer bigtime.


12 posted on 03/22/2009 8:29:42 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: bray; All
This after how many front pages bashing AIG?? Even the Bankrupt Times can spot the hypocrisy in this.

Only when the hypocrisy affects one of their own (i.e. the New York financial district). They don't mind wealth bashing as long as it doesn't negatively affect them. Oooops.

13 posted on 03/22/2009 8:35:00 AM PDT by nicolezmomma
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Oh such poor insight.

The beating is not indiscriminate since it is known that the bonuses is being awarded to the FAILING division of AIG and as taxpayers we are the owners of AIG. Hence it is imperative to express dissatisfaction at such incompetent management.

To be silent on the matter would simply condone and propagate such incompetence. The notion that we should be silent or forgiving is foolish.

14 posted on 03/22/2009 9:25:48 AM PDT by Tempest (The Republican party, racing to lose 2010)
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What is not said and I believe is that AIG had it in it’s mind to screw the tax payer, pay off it’s debt to foreign countries, come back for more money and do business as usual.


15 posted on 03/22/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by AIC
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To: Tempest
It makes no sense to loan a company money, then negatively profile the employees who stayed to clean up the mess, and then wonder why the whole company continues to fall apart. It seems like this is really what O's administration wants - for AIG to fall apart as some example. Unfortunately they are just throwing taxpayer money away.

Either don't loan them money in the first place, or formally nationalize the company and sell of the assets for Pete's sake. But don't loan taxpayer money and attempt to run the company through the Media.

16 posted on 03/22/2009 10:34:25 AM PDT by nicolezmomma
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To: Tempest

>Oh such poor insight.

Indeed there is.

>The beating is not indiscriminate since it is known that the bonuses is being awarded to the FAILING division of AIG and as taxpayers we are the owners of AIG.

This is true, the beatings are not indiscriminate. However, wasn’t the whole point of the ‘bailout’ SUPPOSED to be to keep them from failing? Getting angry about this, at so soon a date, seems to me to be rather like a surgeon declaring the patient dead after removing the failing heart and starting to place the new one in w/o even finishing sewing the patient up (Or even connecting all the veins/artiries).

Hence it is imperative to express dissatisfaction at such incompetent management.


17 posted on 03/22/2009 10:43:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nicolezmomma
"Not all the employees who face the possibility of having their bonuses taxed out from under them work for the evil financial products division. Many of them work in insurance divisions. Very few of them pull down million-dollar bonuses, and none of them brought A.I.G. to its knees. (And employees who bought the company’s stock are already hurting financially, having seen its value virtually wiped out.) They are the ones the company badly needs to keep if it hopes to sell those units at a healthy price. Taking away their bonuses — after they’ve already put the money in their bank accounts — hardly seems like the right way to motivate them. And demonizing them in Congressional hearings doesn’t help either."

Ding ding ding ding!

18 posted on 03/22/2009 12:12:45 PM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: AIC
What is not said and I believe is that AIG had it in it’s mind to screw the tax payer, pay off it’s debt to foreign countries, come back for more money and do business as usual.

Of course. CEO Liddy was appointed by the Federal Government, and I'm sure that's what he's been trying to do for the entire 6 months he's had the job. /sarcasm off/

Once again we are talking about contracts. AIG honored existing contracts while trying to unwind the Financial Products division and sell many of its subsidiaries. If the federal government thought AIG should renegotiate the contracts or ignore (a/k/a breach) the contracts, why didn't the Fed speak up? They've been like flies swarming all over the place.

19 posted on 03/22/2009 12:19:13 PM PDT by OrangeDaisy
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To: nicolezmomma

The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 provides that: “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed.”

“The Bill of Attainder Clause was intended not as a narrow, technical (and therefore soon to be outmoded) prohibition, but rather as an implementation of the separation of powers, a general safeguard against legislative exercise of the judicial function or more simply - trial by legislature.” U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437, 440 (1965).

“These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an individual case, to impose punishment.” William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 166.


20 posted on 03/22/2009 12:56:05 PM PDT by jessduntno ( www.SenateConservatives.com)
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