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4 Cops Shot, Suspect Dead After Calif. Traffic Stop
MSNBC.com ^ | March 21, 2009

Posted on 03/21/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: Squantos

Thank you Squantos and I will.


321 posted on 03/21/2009 10:40:03 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Polynikes

Is he a former black panther like Bobby Rush of Illinois? HOW do these people get into congress, anyway??? I swear there should be more stringent requirements....


322 posted on 03/21/2009 10:40:17 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Religion Moderator

NO, he started it.


323 posted on 03/21/2009 10:40:43 PM PDT by He who knoweth not his name
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To: He who knoweth not his name

“To: He who knoweth not his name
Care to duel?

290 posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:29:50 PM by He who knoweth not his name
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JMHO but that sounded like a threat,,,

And YOUR former FED~LEO!!!


324 posted on 03/21/2009 10:41:02 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Lessons learned then and tomorrow from this event.......hopefully will save lives !


325 posted on 03/21/2009 10:41:04 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you Religion Moderator.


326 posted on 03/21/2009 10:41:29 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Mariner
The first two cops probably had no vest.

Wouldn't have mattered. One was shot in the head, the other in the jaw and neck.

AT LEAST Type IIIA vests on...and he dropped two of them as well.

There's video (KGO-TV, second image with the SWAT vehicle) of the SWAT team stacking up, kinda sorta, outside the apartment building door. Evaluate the weight of the armor for yourself. They are wearing Kevlar helmets, but the vests don't look all that heavy duty.

327 posted on 03/21/2009 10:42:24 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Starman417

Video flagged.


328 posted on 03/21/2009 10:43:10 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: He who knoweth not his name
I don't care who started it. Two wrongs do NOT make a right.

You are the one who is not dropping it, so leave the thread.

329 posted on 03/21/2009 10:43:16 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: KJC1

My son in law is a street cop in Hayward. Right next to Oakland. This is just so tragic...


330 posted on 03/21/2009 10:44:33 PM PDT by crabpott (' we are living in the strangest, most perilous, and unbelievable decade in modern memory' VDH)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
“I’m curious. Have you ever BEEN to Oakland, CA?”

I have. Worked in the downtown area for approx 12 yrs 80-92. Day shift was usually ok but evenings and nights were whole different matter. There were at least 5 women in the office who carried and I am sure they didn't have any CCW. I did also on those shifts. Too dangerous going to your car.

331 posted on 03/21/2009 10:44:48 PM PDT by Polynikes
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To: ArmstedFragg

The one where the citizen happened on the scene, shooting one of the suspects in the chest with the officers service weapon..

One brave citizen and a very bad event.


332 posted on 03/21/2009 10:45:26 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: kcvl

Thanks for that, so he came out of the San Francisco State/Berkley 60’s crowd. sigh........


333 posted on 03/21/2009 10:45:47 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Polynikes

I cannot imagine walking around there at night without some sort of protection.


334 posted on 03/21/2009 10:49:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Steelfish; All
FWIW With this event and the BART shooting I believe its going to be a hot summer in California. Get ready and be prepared.
335 posted on 03/21/2009 10:51:56 PM PDT by Polynikes
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To: Thunder90

What a tragic day. Prayers for the families.


336 posted on 03/21/2009 10:52:55 PM PDT by 1035rep ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Arizona Carolyn
With the new armor piercing bullets it is.

With any rifle round, above a .22, and probably with most pistol rounds other than maybe .25 and .32 ACP. Motorcycle helmets are designed for motorcycle accidents, not stopping bullets. Even military Kevlar helmets won't stop 5.56x41, 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 (M-16, newer AK's, and older AK's respectively) if the bullet hits near normal to the surface. (Perpendicular to it).

337 posted on 03/21/2009 10:54:08 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Starman417

338 posted on 03/21/2009 10:54:52 PM PDT by xero
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To: Squantos
LOL...... if ya hear what make , model and caliber this POS was shooting at all four of his victims please let me know.

Police are calling at least weapon involved in the killing of the two SWAT guys, an "assault weapon". But, I'm not up on the latest CA definition of what that might be.

339 posted on 03/21/2009 10:56:11 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: CaptSkip; Squantos

There are SWAT and there are SWAT....

Black clothing, wicked looking black weapons and neat helmets alone do not a SWAT professional make......

Then pile on asinine ROE that are more concerned with not harming the perp — and the LEOs are put at risk.....

I agree - the AAR will be revealing and interesting.


340 posted on 03/21/2009 10:56:33 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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