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The Dirty Little Secret Is Out: Religious Faith and Evolution Are Incompatible
ICR ^ | March 20, 2009 | Frank Sherwin, M.A.

Posted on 03/20/2009 7:59:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

In a recent book review, Jerry Coyne, professor of ecology and evolution at the University of Chicago, admitted that the secular worldview of macroevolution (the development of complex life from “simpler” forms) is at odds with Christian faith...

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KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; corruption; creation; darwin; darwinism; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; jerrycoyne; judeo; judeochristian; moralabsolutes; neenerhijack; religion
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To: xzins

LOLOL!


701 posted on 04/01/2009 9:23:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe
And they read the same bible the Apostle Paul had -- the King James Version

Amen!

702 posted on 04/01/2009 10:18:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Kansas58; xzins; P-Marlowe
You do not know the history of the Bible.

thats funny....you do realize he is a Methodist pastor....and a (ahem) "mature" one at that...

703 posted on 04/02/2009 5:51:53 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: Revelation 911; Kansas58; xzins
thats funny....you do realize he is a Methodist pastor....and a (ahem) "mature" one at that...

That's right. xzins is so "mature", he was there when they wrote the Bible.

704 posted on 04/02/2009 5:59:21 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
That's right. xzins is so "mature", he was there when they wrote the Bible.

Noahs got nuttin on him

705 posted on 04/02/2009 7:30:32 AM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl
thats funny....you do realize he is a Methodist pastor....and a (ahem) "mature" one at that... That's right. xzins is so "mature", he was there when they wrote the Bible.

I am so mature that I invented the word!

706 posted on 04/02/2009 8:04:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: xzins; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl
I understand you were in the class of 68.

Was that BC or AD?

707 posted on 04/02/2009 8:07:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl; topcat54
I understand you were in the class of 68.

It was AD 68...a few months before the preterist Jesus returned for the rapture. :>)

Being English, my instructor, the really, really, really ancient and venerable pre-Bede, said to me "Forsook illiath glynith bereeveanon!"

And I believed him.

708 posted on 04/02/2009 8:11:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: GodGunsGuts

An interesting perspective on things can be found in the Hebrew-Jewish “mysticism”, which more properly could be called the Hebrew-Jewish “philosophy” within Kabbalah. In short, it deals to a large extent with their beliefs and understandings surrounding the Book of Genesis.

In short, it is a treatise on cosmology, the origins and order of the universe. To a great degree, it is a lot less conflicted with how science sees the origins of the universe today, than is just a straight reading of Genesis.

These concepts lie under a layer of mysticism, no doubt created by people far more interested in magic than cosmology. But if you set aside that part, you see some profound and very modern insights to cosmology, inductively reached over a long period of time.

The truly strange part is that if you take modern cosmology as a whole, within it you find unresolved arguments, some of which would agree with Kabbalah. That is, you could cherry pick scientific cosmology and to a great extent it would be in agreement with some of the Kabbalistic ideas.

Intriguing, to say the least.


709 posted on 04/02/2009 8:18:40 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: xzins; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl; topcat54
It was AD 68...a few months before the preterist Jesus returned for the rapture. :>) Being English, my instructor, the really, really, really ancient and venerable pre-Bede, said to me "Forsook illiath glynith bereeveanon!" And I believed him.

Wait, but of course, that would make you .... Joseph of Armithea

ARTHUR:  There!  Look!
LAUNCELOT:  What does it say?
GALAHAD:  What language is that?
ARTHUR:  Brother Maynard!  You are a scholar.
MAYNARD:  It's Aramaic!
GALAHAD:  Of course!  Joseph of Arimathea!
LAUNCELOT:  'Course!
ARTHUR:  What does it say?
MAYNARD:  It reads, 'Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Arimathea.
    He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle
    of uuggggggh'.
ARTHUR:  What?
MAYNARD: '... the Castle of uuggggggh'.
BEDEVERE:  What is that?
MAYNARD:  He must have died while carving it.
LAUNCELOT:  Oh, come on!
MAYNARD:  Well, that's what it says.
ARTHUR:  Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'aaggggh'.  He'd
    just say it!
MAYNARD:  Well, that's what's carved in the rock!
GALAHAD:  Perhaps he was dictating.

Ok, x, where did you hide the grail?

And while you're fessing up, where did you hide the Ark?

710 posted on 04/02/2009 8:22:05 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: xzins
Not the same thing.
My point is not to say that the Catholic Church has alwasy been right, in its actions.
My point has only been to remind everyone who is a Biblical Fundamentalist that there would be NO Bible, if not for the Catholic Church.
Also, my point has been that the Catholic Church absolutely was involved in keeping heretical books out of the Bible, and accepting those Books which are, even today, considered valid by nearly all Christians.
711 posted on 04/02/2009 8:39:07 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58; xzins; P-Marlowe
And WHO was the first Authority to determine which works were, and which works were NOT, officially, from the Apostles?
The Catholic Church, of course!

And WHO was the first Authority to determine which works were, and which works were NOT, officially, from the prophets?

The Jewish Rabbinate of course!

So I take it you'll be converting to Judaism now?

Shalom.

712 posted on 04/02/2009 8:51:42 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; fortheDeclaration; enat
There's something apropos about a hijack on April 1st . . . can't put my finger on why.

Btw, xzins, did you know that your picture is in the Oxford English Dictionary under the entry for "gullible"? :^P

Shalom.

713 posted on 04/02/2009 8:57:38 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: xzins

LOL I’m telling that one to my buddies at the next game night.


714 posted on 04/02/2009 8:59:05 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
Point taken on the Old Testament.

By the way, once had a Catholic Monsignor, in a class for adults, (I was sponsoring someone to join the Church), ask where the word “testament” came from.

Of course it means “promise” or “pact” or “covenant” -— that is all he wanted.

Of course, however, the word itself came from the Romans placing their hands over their reproductive organs, when making a promise. The point was, “If I can not keep this promise, my children will”.

Think "testes". I tried to wiggle out of answering the question, but finally I did.

It was more information than he wanted, but it was the truth!

715 posted on 04/02/2009 8:59:46 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: xzins; Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; Buggman; Revelation 911; fortheDeclaration; Kansas58

A new monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand. He notices, however, that they are copying copies, and not the original books.

So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this. He points out that if there was an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies. The head monk says, “We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son.”

So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original. Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him. He hears sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks what’s wrong.

“The word is celebrate not celibate,” says the old monk with tears in his eyes.


716 posted on 04/02/2009 9:02:27 AM PDT by enat
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl

Why did I get pinged on this bit of light-hearted nonsense?


717 posted on 04/02/2009 9:07:01 AM PDT by topcat54 (Don't believe in a pre-anything rapture? Join "Naysayers for Jesus")
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To: Kansas58
Cool tidbit of information, if one that leads to some funny imagery (e.g. a bunch of Roman soldiers taking their oaths while clutching themselves as if they'd just been kneed, Michael Jackson as a covenant-maker, etc). That'll be fun to share with the class. Thanks.

Btw, I'd like to point out that the rabbis rejected Maccabees and the rest of the apocryphal books as Scripture (though they retained them as historical works) for a very simple reason: There were no prophets between about 400 BCE and Yeshua's times. In fact, Maccabees even makes a point of stating that there were no prophets then in the land, when they were trying to figure out what to do with the defiled altar stones.

No prophets, no Scripture.

Shalom.

718 posted on 04/02/2009 9:08:16 AM PDT by Buggman (HebrewRoot.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: topcat54; xzins; P-Marlowe; Revelation 911; Kansas58; Alamo-Girl
Why did I get pinged on this bit of light-hearted nonsense?

Because old man xzins was reminiscing about the AD 70 Rapture.

Apparently he was "Left Behind".

We thought you might be interested.

719 posted on 04/02/2009 9:12:37 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: topcat54

because you are one of my favorite light-hearted, nonsensical kind of guys. Besides, I always offer you a chance to reply to my preterist Jesus snarks. :>)

And...who knows...you might just know a decent joke or two.


720 posted on 04/02/2009 9:16:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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