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Science or creation? Thou art too nosy
Toronto Sun ^ | March 19, 2009 | Mike Strobel

Posted on 03/20/2009 6:41:02 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode

This week, the Globe and Mail asked Science Minister Gary Goodyear, a chiropractor, if he believed in evolution.

None of your beeswax, he replied.

"I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate."

Well, the primordial ooze hit the fan.

Scientists roasted Goodyear. Is this why the feds have cut research funding? Does Ottawa figure it's cheaper to read the Bible?

Fumed one: "It's the same as asking the gentleman, 'Do you believe the world is flat?' and he doesn't answer on religious grounds."

No, it's not the same. We can bloody well see the world is round. But I can't look at an ape and see myself.

You could say that God made Conservatives and only Liberals come from apes.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: darwin; evolution; oldearthspeculation; piltdownman
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom

I’ve always considered Jefferson a flake, but Hamilton was hot. (Sorry, I’ve got a case of the Fridays.)


41 posted on 03/20/2009 8:55:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: metmom

I’m looking forward to the day when creationists learn how to flex their political muscle.


42 posted on 03/20/2009 8:55:07 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor

Only her mirror knows for sure.


43 posted on 03/20/2009 8:55:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Even for a thin-skinned solipsistic narcissist, Obama seems a frightful po-faced pill." ~Mark Steyn)
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To: metmom
Then that means that by default, you do, because you must have some criteria that you use to define *Christian* if you think that his isn't valid.

You just aren't accepting HIS definition.

Yes, I'm not accepting his definition, but that doesn't mean I have my own definition. Logical fallacy.

You can prove a mathematics problem is incorrect without being able to provide the correct answer.

44 posted on 03/20/2009 9:17:54 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, but those lips....

Too much botox?


45 posted on 03/20/2009 9:18:37 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Dog Gone
General rule? Darwinism, a.k.a., evolution, professes that life began as an accidental mixing of chemicals and that by chance life arose from some primordial goo.
And that from this goo all life arose and developed sans Creator.

But the founder of Christianity said God created man and referred his listeners to Genesis.

46 posted on 03/20/2009 9:24:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dog Gone; editor-surveyor

Mathematics and definitions of words are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

One is way more objective than another and in math, there are established facts. 2 + 2 = 4 no matter where you are in the world. With something as objective as math, yes, you can tell if an answer is wrong even if you can’t determine the right one.

With something subjective like determining whether someone is really a Christian, although Jesus has given us guidelines for making that determination, it is not as easy since no one can know another’s heart.

For something that is subjective, to determine that something is wrong, must mean that you have some idea of what right is, some standard by which to compare your definition to; just like you do for something that is objective. It just isn’t as easy.

So if you’re not accepting his definition, why aren’t you? What criteria are you using for a basis of rejecting his?


47 posted on 03/20/2009 9:28:11 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change
No, it doesn't, and this continued ignorance or wilfull dishonesty at this forum is astonishing.

Evolution does not address the origin of life, and never has. It addresses how species adapt and change over time.

48 posted on 03/20/2009 9:30:57 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Non-Sequitur
Or you could also say Got made idiots that write for the Toronto Sun. Man did not descend from apes and I don't know anyone with half a brain that believes so, though I notice a lot of creationists seem to accept that. Says a lot about them.

Hahaha, post #9 makes that statement look awfully foolish (were you intending to insult your fellow Darwinist Freeper?). I think it was Ernst Mayr, the emininent evolutionary biologist, who basically said "Look, if we went back in time and saw one of our ancestors, we'd point and say 'look, a monkey.'" His point was that your attempt to distinguish between modern apes and putative ancestors is an exercise in nit-picking trivia.

49 posted on 03/20/2009 9:35:19 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: metmom

You couldn’t recognize an analogy if it smacked you in the face like a wet mackeral.

In case you are utterly dense, I was saying that I could disagree with a definition without providing the authoritative definition. The two concepts are not the same.

I AM saying that there are millions of people who believe they are Christians who also believe in evolution. I think if you believe and profess to be a Christian, then you probably are. It might not be your flavor of Christianity, but the notion that only your flavor is the correct one is arrogant at a minimum.


50 posted on 03/20/2009 9:37:42 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: GodGunsGuts
“We just feel a creationist shouldn’t be science minister. It doesn’t jibe with his mandate.”

Well, we have biblical creationists who invented the MRI (Dr. Raymond Damadian), invented 'gene gun' genetic engineering (Dr. John Sanford), and co-invented the floppy disk (William Overn) to give just a few examples from contemporary history. Yet Darwinists continue to make the manifestly false claim that creationists are somehow outside the bounds of science. Why should we trust them about the past when their emotional prejudice makes them so incompetent about the present?

51 posted on 03/20/2009 9:38:30 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Democrats are not in control. God is. And Thank God for that!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


52 posted on 03/20/2009 9:46:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the ping!


53 posted on 03/20/2009 9:47:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dog Gone; metmom
"Sorry, but you don’t get to define who is a Christian."

You're right, I was going by the definition that the inventor left in his user manual.

54 posted on 03/20/2009 9:59:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Tax-chick

DARPA disagrees with you. As does the US Military, NSA and CIA.

Or do you want to leave us at a disadvantage compared to our enemies?


55 posted on 03/20/2009 10:05:06 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: metmom; editor-surveyor

His definition excludes anyone who thinks cancer happened before the industrial age.


56 posted on 03/20/2009 10:07:06 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: count-your-change

Evolution doesn’t speak to origins - you know this so why are you trying to spread falsehoods?


57 posted on 03/20/2009 10:07:54 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: Liberty1970

You overlook the fact that they used the scientific method to do those things. You know the same scientific method that current gen creations ignore / hate with a passion.


58 posted on 03/20/2009 10:09:56 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

What? No preschool today?

Does your mom know you’re on the computer?


59 posted on 03/20/2009 10:13:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

Why be so childish? I guess it is easier then trying to explain where those cancer cells in those Egyptian mummies came from.


60 posted on 03/20/2009 10:15:56 AM PDT by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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