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Concept of 'hypercosmic God' wins Templeton Prize (Quantum Mechanics meets Metaphysics?)
New Scientist ^ | 16 March 2009 | Amanda Gefter

Posted on 03/16/2009 4:29:12 PM PDT by GOPGuide

Today the John Templeton Foundation announced the winner of the annual Templeton Prize of a colossal £1 million ($1.4 million),

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D'Espagnat boasts an impressive scientific pedigree, having worked with Nobel laureates Louis de Broglie, Enrico Fermi and Niels Bohr. De Broglie was his thesis advisor; he served as a research assistant to Fermi; and he worked at CERN when it was still in Copenhagen under the direction of Bohr.

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Third view

Unlike classical physics, d'Espagnat explained, quantum mechanics cannot describe the world as it really is, it can merely make predictions for the outcomes of our observations. If we want to believe, as Einstein did, that there is a reality independent of our observations, then this reality can either be knowable, unknowable or veiled. D'Espagnat subscribes to the third view. Through science, he says, we can glimpse some basic structures of the reality beneath the veil, but much of it remains an infinite, eternal mystery.

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Unconventional 'God' So what is it, really, that is veiled? At times d'Espagnat calls it a Being or Independent Reality or even "a great, hypercosmic God". It is a holistic, non-material realm that lies outside of space and time, but upon which we impose the categories of space and time and localisation via the mysterious Kantian categories of our minds.

"Independent Reality plays, in a way, the role of God – or 'Substance' – of Spinoza," d'Espagnat writes. Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, which he equated with nature itself, but he always held this "God" to be entirely knowable. D'Espagnat's veiled God, on the other hand, is partially – but still fundamentally – unknowable. And for precisely this reason, it would be nonsensical to paint it with the figure of a personal God or attribute to it specific concerns or commandments.

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To: Lucky Dog
Aristotle's “Metaphysics”
41 posted on 03/16/2009 6:49:32 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: workerbee

Cue ‘Q’?


42 posted on 03/16/2009 6:51:29 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Aristotle's “Metaphysics”

That was the first argument I presented, albeit, in a slightly different form from the original.
43 posted on 03/16/2009 7:09:50 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: GOPGuide

ping for later


44 posted on 03/16/2009 7:13:19 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: GOPGuide

I was just having fun! No yelling intended! I just love this stuff.


45 posted on 03/16/2009 7:19:55 PM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: SunkenCiv

bookmarking for later . . .

Thanks for the ping . . . good topic!


46 posted on 03/16/2009 7:30:25 PM PDT by callisto (CONGRESS.EXE corrupted... Re-boot Washington D.C? (Y/N))
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To: GOPGuide
I am an agnostic

You'll get hit both ways then.

47 posted on 03/16/2009 7:44:47 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

You are right. Well thought and well said.


48 posted on 03/16/2009 7:46:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: callisto

My pleasure!


49 posted on 03/16/2009 7:46:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: LomanBill

But, he started out as Jehovah. He made himself known at a time and place and to a people first.


50 posted on 03/16/2009 7:48:43 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: GOPGuide
"And for precisely this reason, it would be nonsensical to paint it with the figure of a personal God or attribute to it specific concerns or commandments."

To someone who has encountered a personal God, a personal God makes perfect sense. To someone who has looked into the biblical model of what it means to really love others, commandments makes sense for they help teach us what love is and is not.

51 posted on 03/16/2009 7:52:55 PM PDT by DannyTN (Impeach and Deport)
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To: MHGinTN
References, please?

Cheers!

52 posted on 03/16/2009 7:57:19 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

That happens to me all the time. I come up with the best ideas and then I find out some degreed type gets all the credit.

There aughta be a law!


53 posted on 03/16/2009 7:59:37 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian; GOPGuide

Moreover, if our current reality, let’s call it mortality, is just a temporary state, then we cannot truly rely upon the “laws” we’ve experienced to describe all the available information in the cosmos.

That is there is a cosmos, whose laws are unknown to us, governing our cosmos which is temporary.

An analogy would be trying to understand juggling by just noting a nanosecond of the balls trip upwards. We’d miss a big part of the act, no?


54 posted on 03/16/2009 8:02:23 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: ETL

What a great name. Is it really Johnjoe?

It would take a hillbilly to lead science out of the painted corner, no?

Isn’t the argument against evolution one of first causes? How does the inanimate, non-biological become animate and biological?

Or how does the stone come to life?


55 posted on 03/16/2009 8:06:40 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: editor-surveyor

Great point. This has limited our ability to “discover” or uncover science for a long time. Breakthroughs come when someone can relate it out, no?

How do you resolve it? Is it possible to investigate/analyze/understand the indescribable?


56 posted on 03/16/2009 8:09:08 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: DannyTN; LomanBill; editor-surveyor; SunkenCiv
I find it fascinating that, in the first attempt to reconfigure G-d, the technical predisposition is to presume omnipotence while simultaneously precluding Divine persona, as if We are saying that He can be anything but a person. It is a strange compulsion to place limits on the unlimited.
57 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: workerbee

I didn’t realize that God was into baubles.


58 posted on 03/16/2009 8:11:40 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The inmates are now officially running the asylum.)
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To: MHGinTN

You are on to it. Time is the issue.


59 posted on 03/16/2009 8:13:01 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yet, if time is the issue and the final anomaly is discoverable only at death, the results of which cannot be reported, then what?


60 posted on 03/16/2009 8:15:28 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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