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Physicists get closer to finding the 'God Particle'
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 3/13/09 | AFP

Posted on 03/13/2009 8:04:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

CHICAGO (AFP) – Physicists have come closer to finding the elusive "God Particle," which they hope could one day explain why particles have mass, the US Department of Energy's Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory announced Friday.

Researchers at the Fermilab have managed to shrink the territory where the elusive Higgs Boson particle is expected to be found -- a discovery placing the American research institute ahead of its European rival in the race to discover one of the biggest prizes in physics.

Physicists have long puzzled over how particles acquire mass.

In 1964, a British physicist, Peter Higgs, came up with this idea: there must exist a background field that would act rather like treacle.

Particles passing through it would acquire mass by being dragged through a mediator, which theoreticians dubbed the Higgs Boson.

The standard quip about the Higgs is that it is the "God Particle" -- it is everywhere but remains frustratingly elusive.

Confirming the Higgs would fill a huge gap in the so-called Standard Model, the theory that summarizes our present knowledge of particles. Over the years, scientists have whittled down the ranges of mass that the Higgs is likely to have.

Physicists were hopeful that the particle could be found with Europe's Big Bang atom-smasher, the Large Hadron Collider.

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To: NormsRevenge
"Physicists get closer to finding the 'God Particle'"

Hmmm...

Why do they have to find it?

How do they know it's a "god" particle?

After they find it (IF they find it) what will they do with it?

41 posted on 03/13/2009 9:31:08 PM PDT by redhead (Don't look at ME! I voted for SARAH!)
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To: BIGLOOK; NormsRevenge
Single top quark detected

A lighter Higgs makes particle hunt harder

42 posted on 03/13/2009 9:33:35 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: NormsRevenge

So, here is the important question: Will the God particle look like Jesus or Charlton Heston?

This way we can know the one true religion.


43 posted on 03/13/2009 9:34:39 PM PDT by SoftwareEngineer
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R9U5b_YV0Y&feature=related


44 posted on 03/13/2009 9:36:06 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr7wNQw12l8&feature=related


45 posted on 03/13/2009 9:41:40 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: eddie willers
I don't have a god in this hunt.

God is super to and transcends ontology.
46 posted on 03/13/2009 9:43:25 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

It all came about purely by accident. Just a quirk of nature.


47 posted on 03/13/2009 9:44:18 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Williams
> I suppose I was referring to scientists who view the universe in a purely mechanistic way driven ony by chance and without purpose. Certainly that is promoted as the rational scientific approach in contrast to religious fantasizing. I mean promoted in popular culture and by some scientists as well.

Agreed.

My own view is that God set the Universe in motion according to certain Laws, which hold at all levels and in every instance, astronomical and subatomic. What we call "chance" is only our limited ability as humans to adequately model and understand the near-infinity of precursor events that play into and affect every subsequent event.

And I see no reason why God could not have set up Laws that include an element of indefiniteness. I disagree with Einstein on that one.

Popular culture is the antithesis of scientific rigor, and the "popularizers" who endeavor to enlighten the public a little about science generally end up weakening the science to the point where it's laughable and embarrassing to those of us who take it seriously.

Scientific method and religious study are not opposites on a linear spectrum, nor are they orthogonal. They're different paths to similar goals. Those (of either camp) who deny that, simply haven't taken a step back to view the larger scope of human striving for enlightenment.

48 posted on 03/13/2009 9:58:58 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
It's really not a very good book, and except for maybe, The Tao of Physics it might be the most unintentionally funny book about Physics ever written.

Personally, I think Glashow's name for the Higgs is better: Weinberg's Toilet.

49 posted on 03/13/2009 10:00:18 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Is a supersymmetric Higgs a boson's mate? God's Big Brother? Or maybe Salam's Bidet?)
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To: tacticalogic
> According to the article, part of the reason they call it the God particle is that they see it everywhere. Philosophically, I'm find that an odd thing to disagree with.

Oh, the romantic notion in the nickname is fine. I just think it was unwise to use that phrase in public, given the overwhelming likelihood of misunderstanding among those who only read the words and immediately inject their own interpretation, without stopping to learn the philosophical underpinnings of the statement.

50 posted on 03/13/2009 10:04:58 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

>> What we call “chance” is only our limited ability as humans to adequately model and understand the near-infinity of precursor events that play into and affect every subsequent event.

near-infinity? Interesting limit, I think...


51 posted on 03/13/2009 10:14:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecik2tWlwNs&feature=related


52 posted on 03/13/2009 10:19:15 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: BIGLOOK
God is super to and transcends ontology.
God to be sure is different from the world. But he is different in the way in which this difference is experienced in our original, transcendental experience. In this experience this peculiar and unique difference is experienced in such a way that he whole of reality is borne by this term and this source and is intelligible only within it. Consequently, it is precisely the difference which establishes the ultimate unity between God and the world, and the difference becomes intelligible only in this unity."

Rahner, Karl. Foundations of Christian Faith. New York: The Crossroad Publishing Company, 1995.

53 posted on 03/13/2009 10:26:30 PM PDT by eastsider
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To: NormsRevenge

I’ve always thought of God as energy, not matter, unless He’s both.


55 posted on 03/13/2009 11:20:38 PM PDT by Tazlo (I need to get a tagline)
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To: 353FMG

http://www.reasons.org/resources/radio-broadcasts-and-podcasts


56 posted on 03/14/2009 12:12:03 AM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: SonOfPyrodex
Nothing to do with God, everything to do with frustrating, incomplete mathematical models and a potty-mouthed physicist.

So we can expect the motherf******* g******m piece of s*** particle pretty soon?

57 posted on 03/14/2009 4:20:07 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union, then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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Thanks neverdem. No ping, just adding.

· Google ·

58 posted on 03/14/2009 5:29:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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A lighter Higgs makes particle hunt harder
Nature News | 13 March 2009 | Eric Hand
Posted on 03/13/2009 10:04:07 PM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2206342/posts

Single top quark detected
Science News | March 10th, 2009 | Solmaz Barazesh
Posted on 03/13/2009 9:49:17 PM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2206336/posts

Race for ‘God particle’ heats up
BBC | 2-17-09 | James Morgan
Posted on 02/17/2009 3:48:03 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2187872/posts

Written in the skies: why quantum mechanics might be wrong
Nature News | 15 May 2008 | Zeeya Merali
Posted on 05/18/2008 10:40:38 PM PDT by neverdem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2017939/posts

Prof Peter Higgs interview:
Smashing atoms at CERN and the hunt for the ‘God’ particle
The Telegraph | 4/8/2008 | Roger Highfield
Posted on 04/08/2008 6:06:11 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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No sign of the Higgs boson
New Scientist | December 5, 2001 (note the year) | Eugenie Samuel
Posted on 04/10/2007 8:48:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1814966/posts

Physicists Find Tiny Particle With No Charge,
Very Low Mass And Sub-nanosecond Lifetime
ScienceDaily | December 7, 2006
Posted on 12/07/2006 6:00:02 PM PST by annie laurie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1750170/posts

Where Does Visible Light Come From?
Universe Today | Jan 25, 2005 | Jeff Barbour
Posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:58 PM PST by ckilmer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1328632/posts

String Theory, at 20, Explains It All
(Are There 10 Dimensions Of Space and Time?)
NY Times | 7 December 2004 | By DENNIS OVERBYE
Posted on 12/10/2004 7:09:09 AM PST by shrinkermd
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1298550/posts

String Theory, at 20, Explains It All (or Not)
The New York Times | December 7, 2004 | Dennis Overbye
Posted on 12/07/2004 10:01:55 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1296277/posts

‘God particle’ may have been seen
BBC News Online | Wednesday, 10 March, 2004 | By Paul Rincon
Posted on 03/11/2004 4:45:23 AM PST by Momaw Nadon
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A vast cavern is the stage for tests to find the ‘God particle’
The Times
Posted on 06/09/2003 6:11:13 AM PDT by andy224
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New Step Underground in Universe Origins Quest (LHC)
Yahoo! Science | 6/4/03 | Robert Evans - Reuters
Posted on 06/04/2003 6:45:04 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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What is mass?
Source: EurekAlert
Published: 1-31-2001 Author: Marcus Chown
Posted on 02/01/2001 21:46:50 PST by Textide
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a7a49ca41a4.htm


59 posted on 03/14/2009 6:09:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BIGLOOK

Whoops! And thanks BIGLOOK, hadn’t got far enough down the screen yet. :’)

No sign of the Higgs boson
New Scientist | December 5, 2001 (note the year) | Eugenie Samuel
Posted on 04/10/2007 8:48:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1814966/posts


60 posted on 03/14/2009 6:09:22 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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