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Stop right there: No red light cameras (NH)
The Union Leader ^ | 3/13/2009 | Union Leader

Posted on 03/13/2009 6:59:15 AM PDT by Aglooka

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Judging from the comments a lot of NH residents actually think these things are a good idea. Clearly they haven't gotten the facts.
1 posted on 03/13/2009 6:59:15 AM PDT by Aglooka
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To: Aglooka

Wait until the lawsuits force the governments to throttle back on the red light money machines ...


2 posted on 03/13/2009 7:00:23 AM PDT by mgc1122
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To: Aglooka

A news story yesterday was about Georgia (?) passing a state law extending the yellow by one second wherever a red light camera was installed.

Not only were accidents reduced (cars slamming on their brakes and getting rear ended) but tickets dropped dramatically.

So did ticket revenue, so the localities were pixxed.


3 posted on 03/13/2009 7:00:56 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Aglooka

I suppose they could just pay a bunch of cops to stand at intersections and use technology to nail people for running lights. Or, they jack the fines through the roof for people running lights to pay for the cops and the technology. Or, maybe if people just followed the traffic laws then none of this debate would be necessary.


4 posted on 03/13/2009 7:06:51 AM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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“Or, maybe if people just followed the traffic laws then none of this debate would be necessary.”

Hmmm...”Last year, The Los Angeles Times found that 80 percent of the tickets generated by that city’s red light cameras were given to people turning right on red!”


5 posted on 03/13/2009 7:12:49 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: MrB

it is well known the relationship between the duration of the yellow and accidents/running reds/giving tickets.

cops are encouraged to ticket people and generate more money for the locals. this should be illegal, but the ones deciding whether or not its illegal.... are the ones benefiting from its abuse. (no conflict of interest here...)


6 posted on 03/13/2009 7:13:05 AM PDT by sten
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To: misterrob

Most of the tickets, from the Georgia story yesterday,

were on people who were EXITING the intersection when the light turned red. It’s revenue generation.

Lengthen the yellows and the cameras become irrelevant.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 7:14:36 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: misterrob

Dat’s Eggs Ackley what happened to me in Brecksville, Ohio. Cop tried to nail me by shortening the yellow/caution light to 1 second using a hand held controller. I slammed on the brakes, and glared at him. He laughed back at me! I had to pull over a block later to move my toolboxes and pipes, tools, etc. back into the back of the van. Thank Goodness nothing fell onto my head!


8 posted on 03/13/2009 7:17:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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If the lights are timed well then you have far less of a problem. People are incentivized to head through the intersection on yellow when the green is 15 second long and while the cross street’s green is a minute long. However, making the yellow longer in duration means people blow through the light since it is far less likely that it turns red until they hit the other side.

The best safety solution is to have all lights at red before something changes. Going to red then giving cut over or cross traffic a green at the same time is a bad idea.


9 posted on 03/13/2009 7:25:10 AM PDT by misterrob (FUBO----Just say it, Foooooooooooooo Boooooooowwwwww. Smooth)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yet how many here, law and order republicans will tell you to love, obey, and perform Proskynesis, before “authorities”. Many people are taught from a young age that it is their civic duty to view the Police as “good” and the city government as benevolent. They are therefore sheep to the slaughter to dishonest, sarcastic jaded public officials. “Truth”, “Justice” as entities to honor do not exist in these systems of revenue. The “authorities” abrogate inherent virtue and prestige by these actions. But it has been going on for over a hundred years in this country so I don’t see it changing anytime soon, and certainly as long as otherwise responsible citizens see the abuse as a necessary down payment on acquiring order amongst the citizens, and most of all SAFETY (it’s fer the children...whaaaaaaa).


10 posted on 03/13/2009 7:27:41 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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Or, maybe if people just followed the traffic laws then none of this debate would be necessary.

No kidding. How hard is it to understand that when the light is red, you stop.

11 posted on 03/13/2009 7:36:01 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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Hmmm,, I'm usually pretty good at definitions, but you sent me to the dictionary with "Proskynesis!" "Proskynesis, (Greek προσκύνησις) formed from the Ancient Greek words pros and kuneo literally means "kissing towards", and refers to the traditional Persian act of prostrating oneself before a person of higher social rank" You can also sing it to the Mickey Mouse Club theme song! "Pro--sky--nesis."
12 posted on 03/13/2009 7:39:33 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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How do the cameras know who is driving (guilty till proven innocent), the difference between a stop and right turn on red, where the stop is (oops...you ran the light by stopping past the marker by 2 inches)

These cameras need to be taken down. I also won't shed any tears if they are shot.

13 posted on 03/13/2009 7:41:06 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yes, a favorite word of mine, also expected in the Byzantine court and rendered to the emperor. They had a long (thousand year) conflict with the Persians and took on some of their ways.


14 posted on 03/13/2009 7:59:27 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Oh, and I had great fun singing it!!!!!


15 posted on 03/13/2009 8:00:19 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: pnh102

Classic Non Sequitur


16 posted on 03/13/2009 8:02:16 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: DariusBane

Arrrgh! Now I can’t stop singin’ it! Earbug! Darn!


17 posted on 03/13/2009 8:10:43 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: misterrob

“I suppose they could just pay a bunch of cops to stand at intersections and use technology to nail people for running lights. Or, they jack the fines through the roof for people running lights to pay for the cops and the technology. Or, maybe if people just followed the traffic laws then none of this debate would be necessary.”

I repeat:

Classic Non Sequitur


18 posted on 03/13/2009 8:11:44 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Pro—sky—nesis Proskynesis... Proskynesis... LOL


19 posted on 03/13/2009 8:13:46 AM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Aglooka
We have had them here in my Western Washington town for nearly two years now. Big BIG BIG revenue getter for the city. The newspaper published the one-year report on them and the numbers were astounding. I think that was the whole point all along. Its not about preventing people from running the light, its about making some money off them when they do.
20 posted on 03/13/2009 8:15:31 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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