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No more love for Lucy? (33 years of evolutionary propoganda up in smoke)
Journal of Creation ^ | Ryan Jaroncyk

Posted on 03/11/2009 11:40:00 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

No more love for Lucy?

Ryan Jaroncyk

For over the last 30 years, the supposedly 3 . 2 Ma old Australopithecus afarensis specimen known as ‘Lucy’ has been boldly proclaimed as the ancestor of all humanity in magazines, television shows, books, newspapers and museums. However, Tel Aviv University anthropologists have published a study casting serious doubt on Lucy’s role as mankind’s ape ancestor.1 Based on a comparative analysis of jaw bones in living and extinct primates, researchers concluded that Lucy and members of her kind should be ‘placed as the beginning of the branch that evolved in parallel to ours.’ In other words, Lucy should no longer be considered to be our direct ancestor. Lucy’s demise falsifies 33 years of evolutionary hyperbole and propaganda...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: afarensis; australopithecus; creation; evolution; flintstones; godsgravesglyphs; goodgodimnutz; hollywoodreds; intelligentdesign; junkdarwin; lucy; telaviv; university; unnaturallyselective
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To: allmendream
"No, the amidase enzyme is incapable of breaking down nylon until acted upon by mutation."

What amidase? Amidase is a class of enzymes. All members of that class have the property of catalyzing the cleavage of amide bonds. The only differences are in catalyic power.

"The “information” to digest nylon was not present, it was, in its original form, incapable of digesting nylon.

The important considerations do not include "information". The important consideration is catalytic power, which is dependent on the spacial arrangement of the functional groups responsible for lowering the activation energy of an amide bond transition state. All a mutation could effect in a positive way are elements of those considerations.

221 posted on 03/11/2009 7:45:28 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
All a mutation could effect in a positive way was the ability to break down a nylon from an enzyme that previously could not break down nylon.

DNA is mutable, in fact impossible to maintain with perfect fidelity. When DNA of a gene is changed the amino acid composition of the resulting protein is sometimes changed. In this case an enzyme that previously could not break down nylon was mutated into one that could.

Other examples include coding for a protein with a more heat resistant structure in response to heat stress.

The power of random variation and selection to accomplish new “information” is so powerful that people use the technique of “directed evolution” to make proteins of novel useful applications for industry.

222 posted on 03/11/2009 8:03:45 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Cedric
I'm curious

Yes, you certainly are/were/and ever shall be.

Well yeah, if you continue to answer direct questions with nonsense like this I shall forever be curious as to your mental state.
223 posted on 03/11/2009 8:07:44 PM PDT by whattajoke (.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

“The exhibit has been a huge financial disaster.”

And that’s a shame. It speaks to the ignorance in our society.


224 posted on 03/11/2009 8:13:23 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Lurking Libertarian

So still no proof this is “transitional” other than pure conjecture.

Even average humans from the 19th century differed from more modern humans, we’re taller, heavier (and live longer), on average.


225 posted on 03/11/2009 8:14:37 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Theophilus
Perhaps I've misinterpreted the article. Could you elaborate?
226 posted on 03/11/2009 8:16:26 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Theophilus

“Kinda like standing next to a unicorn eh?”

I wouldn’t know. But then again, I’m not the one with an invisible friend in the sky.


227 posted on 03/11/2009 8:18:00 PM PDT by stormer
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To: tpanther

Most likely a nutritional issue and not one of genetics. Quite common in nature.


228 posted on 03/11/2009 8:25:48 PM PDT by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


229 posted on 03/11/2009 8:44:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: whattajoke; Cedric
So for him to repost his list again only tells me that Cedric is...

Cedric has publicly declared himself to be a troll in other threads. One should expect a troll's usual regard for consistency and honesty.

230 posted on 03/11/2009 8:47:44 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: stormer

Yes nutritional, but also viral, bacteriological, steroidal, technological advances, physiology, immunology, pharmacological...there are several variables here at play, but the point is, all these fossils may look transitional or very different, more for these reasons than anything else.


231 posted on 03/11/2009 8:54:54 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Moonman62; metmom; GodGunsGuts

I’m still waiting the creationist “scientists” to come up with a supernaturally created species. If they want to play scientist they should be held to the same standard.


Ummmm same standard????

Contrasted here:

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As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.

Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry


232 posted on 03/11/2009 9:08:30 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: itsahoot

LOL!!! Should have bought a monkey!


233 posted on 03/11/2009 9:10:02 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: stormer

No; it speaks top the fact that Lucy is old news and no one really cares about about pure speculation about ‘her’. Like most liberal ideas, the decision to bring the exhibit, while having good intentions, was destined to be a failure.


234 posted on 03/11/2009 9:13:00 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: varmintman

>>>Evolution is garbage science and as garbage science goes a spectacularly evil and dangerous variety, with two world wars and something like 200M - 300M dead bodies lying around to its credit. It’s way past time evolutionism was gotten rid of.

Evolution may or may not be accurate science, but blaming it for the World Wars is hysteria. I can just picture Serbian assassins worrying about this as they were shooting Franz Josef’s relatives.


235 posted on 03/11/2009 11:00:37 PM PDT by tlb
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To: xcamel

>>>Keeping in mind these “posts” of “facts” are simply meant to incite and cause flame wars, nothing more. FR’s version of Art Bell and George Noory

Except these Flat Earth threads routinely are allowed as NEWS, while legitimate science threads routinely get pushed into CHAT. The management seems to be taking sides.


236 posted on 03/11/2009 11:00:52 PM PDT by tlb
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To: GodGunsGuts; Lurking Libertarian; Moonman62
The Evos are only admitting that they have been wrong about Lucy being our so-called direct ancestor for the last 30 years. However, the Evos jumped on the next best thing, making her our indirect ancestor

Suppose you that you have always believed that you know where your great-great-great-grandmother was buried.

Evidence now comes to light showing that the grave is of your great-great-great-aunt (on your great-great-great-grandmother's side). She is not your direct ancestor.

But is still related to you, and has as much genetic similarity to you as your actual great-great-great-grandmother. And if they had to dig her up up to do DNA analysis to establish whether you belonged in her family, she's just as good as your real great-great-great-grandmother would be.

Really how "wrong" were you?

237 posted on 03/12/2009 2:01:54 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( As for a future life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague probabilities. - D)
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To: tlb

Yeah, seems so... Kind of like all the fairtax horsehockey....


238 posted on 03/12/2009 2:47:49 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: tlb; xcamel
Except these Flat Earth threads routinely are allowed as NEWS, while legitimate science threads routinely get pushed into CHAT. The management seems to be taking sides.

Oh it's been that way for years. And whatever you do, don't ask to have the creationist articles moved to religion where they belong either! Although, the downside of moving them to religion where they belong is that no dissent is allowed in the religion forum or the dissenter is banned.
239 posted on 03/12/2009 4:29:06 AM PDT by whattajoke (.)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
Cedric has publicly declared himself to be a troll in other threads.

That is a lie.

The only question is whether you (steeped in dishonesty) know it it to be a lie or you are merely simple minded, reckless and desperate.

240 posted on 03/12/2009 5:48:54 AM PDT by Cedric
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