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Time to read "1984" again, paying particular attention to the amount of control the government has on Winston's environment.

We need to spread this info far and wide. It's not getting any play in the national press or on TV.

When the time comes, I'll bet FReepers can come up with ingenious ways to get around this. I hope FR is still on the air then so we can share.

1 posted on 03/07/2009 4:01:52 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Ever heard of the “Enhanced Drivers Licenses? There you go.


2 posted on 03/07/2009 4:05:05 PM PST by Sudetenland (Victory in 2012...but first Victory in 2010!!!)
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To: upchuck

I want OFF the grid!


3 posted on 03/07/2009 4:07:14 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of the Masses Coulds be Farts)
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To: upchuck
In Soviet States of America, Power company turns you off.

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4 posted on 03/07/2009 4:08:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: upchuck
Related: IBM Unveils Building Blocks for 21st Century Infrastructure (Smart Grid,RFID is big bother)

Sen. Reid: Feds Should Trump States in Building the Smart Grid

Ontario pushes big 'green' agenda ("smart grid."coming to America)

5 posted on 03/07/2009 4:08:34 PM PST by upchuck (I'm glad I'm old. Thus I can remember when America was a decent, moral, God fearing country.)
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To: upchuck

Part of this is the logical progression of technology.

It is good to help individuals and businesses identify where they use the most energy and resources as long as the individual or business gets to decide how to alter its usage.

Like firearms, these technologies are tools that can be used for good or evil. Opposing them simply because they can be misused is not logical.


6 posted on 03/07/2009 4:11:56 PM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: upchuck

Smart grid == Electricity rationing.


7 posted on 03/07/2009 4:12:33 PM PST by Tarpon (It's a common fact, one can't be liberal and rational at the same time.)
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To: upchuck
dissent

This graphic uses actual county by county results for the last election. It's pretty clear they are not controlling the rural areas like the cites.

8 posted on 03/07/2009 4:14:18 PM PST by Nateman (It's Pres_ent Obama until we see some id!)
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To: upchuck
If you keep your domicile warmer or cooler than the temperature approved by the federal government, you pay more.

Even if you burn fire wood.....

This is central control BS to deal with the FACT that wind and solar power cannot come even close to replacing the coal and nuclear plants the libs want to shut down.

They HAVE to control the demand to make their expensive, fragile, and anemic renewable power system work. This is a HUGE step backwards in reliability and lifestyle all for the fake global warming scare.

16 posted on 03/07/2009 4:30:53 PM PST by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: upchuck

I’ll tell you what if I were in the country I’d advoid their “smart grid” and RFID for farm animals (heck the US government is going to be broke in acouple months, anyway..let them speand years gathing court document, case files, ect: IT IS SERIOUSLY TIME TO START THINKING: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE, FOLKS!


20 posted on 03/07/2009 4:35:58 PM PST by JSDude1 (R(epublicans) In Name Only SUCK; D(emocrats) In Name Only are worth their weight..)
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To: upchuck

How? “First, the world is becoming instrumented. Imagine, if you can, a billion transistors for every human being. WE’RE ALMOST THERE. Sensors are being embedded everywhere: in cars, appliances, cameras, roads, pipelines…even in medicine and livestock.”

Rev 13:

11 Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon. 12He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. 14Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. “


28 posted on 03/07/2009 4:48:18 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: upchuck

Smart Grid stands for “Mark of the Beast”.


30 posted on 03/07/2009 4:50:12 PM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: upchuck
I am a lineman for the county.
And I drive the mainroad.
Lookin' in the sun for another overload.

I hear you singing in the wire
I can hear you thru the whine.
And the Wichita Lineman,
is still on the line.

I know I need a small vacation.
But it don't look like rain.
And if it snows that stretch down south,
won't ever stand the strain.

And I need you more than want you.
And I want you for all time.
And the Wichita Lineman,
is still on the line....

37 posted on 03/07/2009 5:22:53 PM PST by Theophilus (The people who were going to buy your home got aborted 30 years ago.)
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To: upchuck

Maybe it’s time to get that magneto for my Shovelhead sooner rather than later.


38 posted on 03/07/2009 5:24:53 PM PST by kickonly88
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To: upchuck

I don’t see Orwell in this thing. However, I see much bigger energy bills.

Utilities will use the cash to install smart meters that shut off at peak times, and charge more for electricity at peak hours.
They will use tax dollars to charge us more $$$.


40 posted on 03/07/2009 5:27:33 PM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: upchuck

If you’re like me, and do a lot of canning, you’re probably thinking, “so what?”

No-no-no selfish person! How dare you be self sufficient! Dontcha know that you may only obtain nourishment from the approved Food Collective Distribution Centre? All private gardens must be razed, following the example of Prophet Stalin!


46 posted on 03/07/2009 5:58:47 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Leftism is a mental disorder.)
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They replaced the 100ft or so dishes in geosync orbit with 350ft units. They unfold like some sci-fi umbrella and have great precision and are deformable on command. They are so sensitive that if pointed at Mars they can contact the rovers there directly....just imagine what that sort of DB gain is like pointed at the ground only 23,000 miles away. 23k miles is right next door for a 350ft dish. Weightlessness allows for such spindly dish designs....they would never work on the ground with earths gravity.....for one thing the wind would blow em away like giant kites.

Use a solar panel array to charge up a small bank of hi capacity capacitors and discharge them into a solid state transmitter at the focal point of such a dish in orbit and the multi-Gigawatt+ pulse could activate passive hi freq rfid devices on the ground and the incredibly weak return signal could be read by the 350’ dish with its super-cooled front end.....makes one think don’t it.

As a ham operator I salivate over the capabilities of such a system :-)

For you hams out there just run the DB gain numbers and do the math....the level of weak signal they can read from 23k miles is simply awesome! With the dish conformed to its tightest beamwidth and considering the super cooled front end components you would be talking of gains above 80DBi
...perhaps several db above 80! a single milliwatt at the feedpoint of such a dish could cover the earth with a signal easily readable by handheld receivers. It would be easy to generate a megawatt+ signal at the feedpoint for a tiny fraction of a second....imagine the rf power at ground level from that pulse!


47 posted on 03/07/2009 5:58:51 PM PST by Bobalu (McCain has been proven to be the rino flop I always thought he was.)
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To: upchuck

We are catching up with England. Surely we will surpass that little country.


49 posted on 03/07/2009 6:03:12 PM PST by arthurus ( H.L. Mencken said, "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.")
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To: devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; MeekOneGOP; dixiechick2000; upchuck; All

52 posted on 03/07/2009 6:24:24 PM PST by potlatch
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http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/SGN_Blog/Federal_Government_to_Override_States_on_Transmission_Corridors_This_Time_for_Real-527.html

http://www.smartgridnews.com/artman/publish/commentary/Smart_Grid_Battle_Moves_to_the_States_and_What_You_Need_to_Do_About_It-525.html

From their own site... they speak of POTS OF MONEY and different ways to phrase it to get even more from other, generically labeled pots. And they speak of overriding state autonomy for control.

It just scares the crap out of me.


61 posted on 03/07/2009 7:07:33 PM PST by KarenMarie
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We need to spread this info far and wide. It's not getting any play in the national press or on TV.

No fear. I am stocking up on aluminum foil.

72 posted on 03/08/2009 9:49:26 AM PDT by ColdWater
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