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1 posted on 03/07/2009 9:49:52 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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“derivatives”

Interesting word. I watched a brief film on economics the other day that compared them to side betting or betting parlors that used to exist on the streets of NY that were much of the blame of the great depression and outlawed soon after.


2 posted on 03/07/2009 9:53:27 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is why we’ll keep bailing out AIG. We’re bailing a sinking ship with a leaky bucket... and we’re dumping the water right back into the boat.


3 posted on 03/07/2009 9:53:58 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Aren’t these like bad bets and don’t loan sharks just break knees or worse when somebody wimps out on a debt?

Whose portfolios contain this kind of stuff, nobody I know unless it was done secretly.

Bankruptcy is a good option in my book. The bailouts for this kind of phantom “investment” are just payoffs.


4 posted on 03/07/2009 9:55:36 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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“I spoke with one derivatives trader who manages billions of dollars and she said she couldn’t even value her portfolio because “no one knows anymore who is on the other side of the trade.””

I’m not convinced anyone knows what is really going on.


8 posted on 03/07/2009 10:07:40 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It isn't the housing market devaluation, or the sub-prime mortgage market defaults that have us in real trouble. Those are nice fakes to sway attention away from the place where greed truly flourished -- trading phony instruments to the tune of $700 trillion...

I didn't see any place in the article where global warming activist and author, Thomas "Green" Kostigen gets his $700 trillion figure.

Is it BS? Does the author wants to "sway attention"?

9 posted on 03/07/2009 10:12:32 AM PST by FreeReign
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“no one knows anymore who is on the other side of the trade.”

Question: If you don’t know who you are doing business with, how can you do business in the first place?


10 posted on 03/07/2009 10:14:16 AM PST by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Next week they change the accounting rules and Whala! market backt to highs again.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/03/mark-to-market.html


13 posted on 03/07/2009 10:17:05 AM PST by Orange1998
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

These need to be declared unenforceable and void as a matter of public policy.


15 posted on 03/07/2009 10:29:05 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: "I'll loan you all the money you need to get out of debt.")
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And we hope to keep the entire U.S. economy from collapsing, yet gross domestic product stands at $14.2 trillion.

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Not we, Congress and this President are spending and taxing the entire U.S. economy into collapsing


23 posted on 03/07/2009 10:47:24 AM PST by Son House (National Disasters Will Be Devastating Since Mr. Øbama's Spending Will Erode First Response Funding)
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Related thread:

(Obama) Urges Americans not to 'stuff money in mattresses'... Developing...

56 posted on 03/07/2009 12:19:53 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Thanks, Ernest.

Lots of interesting and valuable information throughout this thread.


60 posted on 03/07/2009 1:33:49 PM PST by LucyT
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According to former Reagan Administration economist Larry Kudlow, what’s really weighing down the markets are Obama’s inane tax increase proposals, especially re the corporation tax and the capital gains tax.


61 posted on 03/07/2009 1:41:10 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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Dropping a link to the Bank for International Settlements website....looking for most recent publications.....:

BIS

The Bank for International Settlements (BIS) is an international organisation which fosters international monetary and financial cooperation and serves as a bank for central banks.

67 posted on 03/07/2009 2:21:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (What happened to my IRAs)
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You ever wonder how many different notes were traded for the same piece of property. It sounds like a thug getting your social security number and selling it to 100 wet backs or me taking out 40 full value loans on the same piece of property...


70 posted on 03/07/2009 2:34:58 PM PST by tubebender (99% of Lawyers give the rest a bad name...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Did you see this little bundle of joy... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2201386/posts


72 posted on 03/07/2009 2:36:42 PM PST by tubebender (99% of Lawyers give the rest a bad name...)
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Have posted another study, with about same conclusions many times, and each day you find someone that cannot read talking about butt-boy barney caused the melt down.

Link to other study: http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article6756.html

79 posted on 03/07/2009 3:30:09 PM PST by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ping:(


85 posted on 03/07/2009 3:52:13 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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Ahh, Ernest, I think you have found a new good use for Gitmo....Angelo Mozzilo should be in cell # 1, followed by Frank and Dodd...


90 posted on 03/07/2009 6:38:37 PM PST by Fred (Proud Member of the Obama Enemies List)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

whoever came up with these CDA instruments should be cut up in 1” chunks. Slowly. And in public.


91 posted on 03/07/2009 7:25:00 PM PST by combat_boots (Leave America poor, hungry, sick and defenseless. Wasn't that the plan? How's that Hopenchange now?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ve known derivatives were very fishy ever since Barings and LTCM went under


93 posted on 03/08/2009 10:06:00 AM PDT by dennisw (Archimedes--- Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum to place it, and I shall move the Earth)
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