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Hollister v Soetoro DISMISSED (US DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA - 3/5/09)
scribd ^ | 3/5/2009 | rxisd

Posted on 03/05/2009 1:52:30 PM PST by rxsid

ORDER For the reasons set forth in an accompanying memorandum, the defendants' motion to dismiss [#9] is granted, and John D. Hemenway is ordered to show cause within eleven days of the date of this order why he should not be sanctioned under Rule 11(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13033216/Dismissed


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: akaobama; berg; birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; hollister; hollistervsoetoro; obama; philipberg; soetoro; usurper
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To: curiosity; JoeA
It is true. Certification of Live Birth isn't accepted. You've had this posted to you before.

Applying for Hawaiian Home Lands

The primary documents used to show you are of age and a qualified native Hawaiian are:

* A certified copy of Certificate of Birth;
* A certified copy of Certificate of Hawaiian Birth, including testimonies; or
* A certified copy of Certificate of Delayed Birth.

Obama's "birth certificate" - the Devil's in the details

121 posted on 03/05/2009 7:09:34 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

Don’t you think that if the COLB was forged the State of Hawaii would have pointed that out by now since they were the ones that supposedly never issued a COLB? I kinda think they might have heard about this tempest by now.


122 posted on 03/05/2009 7:14:57 PM PST by DaGman
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To: JoeA

You know, some folks just can’t hide the fact that they like obambi. You can point things out to them but they are blind deaf and especially dumb.

Sell Hawaii to the Japanese and throw in obambi as a bonus.


123 posted on 03/05/2009 7:18:46 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: DaGman
Lot of assumptions in your premise. First, no authority in HI has claimed to have seen the Net posted CoLB Barry has used to claim eligibility. Second, the HI authorities have not stated anything with regard to content in the long form they say is in their vaults. Third, if HI issued a CoLB within the past three years, Barry may have had the forgers use that to fabricate the thing on the Net and the HI authoritieis cannot make a statement confriming or denying authenticity without see what was used to make the Net versions.

A retired FBI documents expert has stated in deposition in the Keyes case that the thing on the Net is not acceptable as proof of anything near where Barry was born since by the disclaimer on the bottom, alteration made to the document voided it.

124 posted on 03/05/2009 7:20:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DaGman
You file a frivolous lawsuit and you run the risk of sanctions. This issue is a constant and consistent loser no matter what court its been in or who the judge(s) are/were and even the branch of government. Anyone that continues to pursue this in court needs to be sanctioned now for wasting taxpayer money. It's a waste time and money.

Free Republic's own Alamo-Girl has documented that Robertson is nothing more than a sleazy Democrat thug:

Judge James Robertson - DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON (STRANGE JUSTICE SUBSECTION)

125 posted on 03/05/2009 7:26:51 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: curiosity

Of course. And the overall point here is the short form is not good enough for them for that purpose. Do you think that’s more important (proving native Hawiian) than proving eligibility to being POTUS.


126 posted on 03/05/2009 7:30:06 PM PST by rxsid
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To: Velveeta
I don’t think the Founders would have added the clause “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution” That clause grandfathered in those who were not born in the Colonies.

No, it grandfathered in those who WERE born in the colonies. Not those who WEREN'T.

To be a natural born citizen of the United States, you have to be born IN the United States. None of the founding fathers were born in the United States. The United States didn't exist when they were born. Instead they were born in the colonies.

When we declared independence from England, they became citizens of the United States, but not natural born citizens. Because again, to be a natural born citizen of the United States you have to be born in the United States, and yet again, there was no United States at the the founders were born.

Because they weren't natural born citizens of the United States, they had to be grandfathered in. And that's what the clause you quote above did. Otherwise, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison and so on down to about John Tyler would not be constitutionally eligible to hold the office of President.

Those who WERE born in the United States, were natural born citizens of the United States. And it didn't matter whether your father was an English subject. Under the jus solis of the English common law, your allegiance was tied to where you were born, not who your parents were.


127 posted on 03/05/2009 7:36:25 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: MHGinTN

Where this is so messed up is the notion that a lack of evidence is evidence and that’s what this whole non-issue is about. That’s what your reply says. The document has been examined by factcheck.org which IS a very reliable source of good information in spite of the fact that they have been trashed over this issue when their information was good for both sides of the fence prior to this issue.

There are no assumptions in my post. This issue has lost in each and every court it has been heard in. This case is a loser and a waste of time and taxpayer money. It’s time to move forward and start rebuilding this party with everyone headed in the same direction and not distracted by issues like this.


128 posted on 03/05/2009 7:38:35 PM PST by DaGman
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To: an amused spectator

Robertson may well be a sleeze bag. I’ll take your word and alamo-girl’s word for it as the bonified truth. However, that does not make this case have merit when it does not.


129 posted on 03/05/2009 7:42:46 PM PST by DaGman
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To: Michael Michael
None of the founding fathers were born in the United States. The United States didn't exist when they were born. Instead they were born in the colonies.

That is spew. It doesn't matter what this soil was called, they were born here . They risked everything for this land. They wanted men who did not have divided loyalties. One foreign parent could cause such a case. Having foreign family could be volatile.

You are a noob trolling Obama threads. Are you a troll or a retread?

130 posted on 03/05/2009 7:51:19 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: JoeA

Yes, but discovering said fact using forensic analysis had no effect on any of the issues pertinent to the people in Napoleon’s time.

The amount of energy this chews up just makes it fruitless. There are conservatives out there who consistently make this their white whale.

It has become obvious getting at the issue of Obummer’s constitutional eligibility in court is going to be nigh impossible. As other posters have shown, you need not only standing, but you need positive evidence—i.e., you need to have the BC itself, or enough incriminating evidence to legally attain a subpoena. And while enough evidence exists to give a judge pause, pause is not enough for them to craft a subpoena.

A more productive action would be to take it to the legislature. Pressure your state’s senator, or even representatives in the state legislature or the House.

The hours spent filing court documents, attending court dates and getting your case thrown out of court are all wasted hours. Judges can’t be pressured. Spend those hours pressuring—hell, bullying—your representatives and you might get something done, either in regards to future candidates or, if you’re very lucky, retroactively to Obama.


131 posted on 03/05/2009 7:53:27 PM PST by Being-And-Time
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To: rxsid

I agree. The judge just may have overplayed his hand.


132 posted on 03/05/2009 8:07:17 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Red Steel

Agree..pretty obvious.


133 posted on 03/05/2009 8:15:26 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: DaGman
However, that does not make this case have merit when it does not.

Perhaps.

Of course, that doesn't change the fact that the post is about a sleazy Democrat thug shooting his mouth off about honest taxpaying citizens who brought a legal concern before his thug court.

Oh, and BTW - the sleazy Democrat thug's handlers DON'T pay taxes - that's for the dim-witted peasants who come to the corrupt court to get spat on, backhanded and legally assaulted...

134 posted on 03/05/2009 8:18:50 PM PST by an amused spectator (Obama: Beware of geeks bearing grifts)
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To: Michael Michael

Maybe you should ask her to see it.


135 posted on 03/05/2009 8:20:42 PM PST by JoeA (JoeA / welcome to third world politics.)
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To: an amused spectator

136 posted on 03/05/2009 8:22:50 PM PST by mrmeangenes
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To: Michael Michael
No, it grandfathered in those who WERE born in the colonies. Not those who WEREN'T.

No way!

A. I admit I'll have to go break out my history books.

If I recall, most of the Framers were born on what would eventually become US soil - i.e. the Colonies.

Some of them were born overseas England, Ireland?, Scotland? - boy I'm rusty in the memory department.

It was those who were foreign born who were grandfathered in. The Framers were excluding those with allegiances to foreign countries from the point of the signing of the Constitution forward.

Do you think the Framers would consider Bobby Jindal eligible to the Presidency?

137 posted on 03/05/2009 8:29:04 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta
Presidents were born here. Their parents were not. So they wrote the grandfather clause so that they could serve.

Washington was born in Virginia in 1732.
John Adams was born in Massachusetts in 1735
Jefferson was born in Virginia in 1743
Madison born in Virginia in 1751
Monroe born in Virginia in 1758

138 posted on 03/05/2009 8:34:54 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
That is spew. It doesn't matter what this soil was called, they were born here .

Clearly it mattered as there would have been no other reason to include that clause.


139 posted on 03/05/2009 8:42:32 PM PST by Michael Michael
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To: JoeA
Maybe you should ask her to see it.

She's not the one claiming she has one.


140 posted on 03/05/2009 8:43:44 PM PST by Michael Michael
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