Posted on 03/03/2009 10:09:14 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K
A pro-family activist believes there is a huge battle looming between libertarians and social conservatives in the Republican Party. He says this battle was highlighted by a survey he conducted at the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, regarding the homosexual agenda.
More than half of the nearly 9,000 conservative activists at CPAC last week in Washington were under the age of 22. Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, says most of the young people he surveyed at CPAC were against the legalization of same-sex "marriage," but notes there was a lot of confusion about the issue of homosexual civil unions.
"Some people thought civil unions were just something you have to give the gay activists," he points out. "Others thought it was a real compromise and didn't realize how close it was to same-sex marriage and how it actually advances the same-sex marriage agenda."
LaBarbera believes many young conservatives are being taught to think of homosexuality as a civil rights issue.
"I think they feel that they have to do something for these gay unions. We have to bring it back to the behavior, the unhealthiness of the behavior, but also the entire gay agenda," he adds. "How the gay agenda threatens religious freedom [and] how no libertarian should be for this agenda because this is an agenda which crushes the freedom to disagree with homosexuality."
Even many social conservatives, according to LaBarbera, fail to realize that in the courts, civil-union type laws actually pave the way for decisions supporting same-sex marriage.
I am a jihadist but I am discriminated from giving to charities of my choice.
I am a jihadist and my rights are infringed because I am not welcome in my local PTA.
I am a jihadist, I have applied for a position in the White House, America said Yes! You are being misunderstood and we love misunderstood people. Congratulations!
However, I have to say that I do know a gay couple raising 3 kids (They were fathers - 1 widowed the other divorced) that goes to my church. Their kids are polite and I know that they hate what is shown on tv (when the news show those pride parades). They both are business owners, and one would love to run for Congress (Our Conservative congressman is retiring from Congress, because he wants to be the Agriculture Secretary in this state.) but he knows he can't because he is gay. He was never a Democrat, and he wants people to know that gays can be CONSERVATIVE.
As my girlfriend is a social worker for kids I have to say that I'd rather have a kid being raised by a gay couple -- then having them in FOSTER FAMILIES who cares not about the kid, but the $$$ the family gets for the kid.
Unless my friends aren't 'NORMAL'!!
We have one to many perverted Congress critters already!
Ever hear of Bawney Fwank? (D) MA... Seems he can't keep it in the privacy of the bedroom either..
I know, I'm not allowed to post images of what they really want. But anyone can type "gay" into a search engine and see for themselves. BARF.....
Do you have children in public school? Homosexuals have invaded the Public schools where they teach values clarification classes.
They have little rainbows in their classroom doors, many schools have prayer rooms for Muslims. But a Christian teacher can be fired for wearing a cross on a simple necklace, if it is seen.
Ever work in a school where the administration has been openly gay?
Ever hear of NAMBLA?
Ever read the story of Lot in the Bible?
Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing [them] rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where [are] the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
I can imagine that further effort in getting you to see the destructive nature of Libertarianism is useless, so I give up.
free market economics.
This has worked so well with immoral men at the heads of major banks and corporations, has it not? Until they grab the money and run anyway.
And if my state wants to outlaw sodomy or try to enforce the missionary position then we can deal with that then.
You picked a bad example considering what the Supreme Court did to that state law. I still maintain the unalterable position that Libertarianism and its sister philosophy of diversity, and tolerance always lead to a perverse society.
How exactly does the sex life of your neighbour affect you?
It doesn’t if they keep it in their own home, but having worked in Interior Design, I know it doesn’t stay at home. Their sex life comes to the office, the storeroom (ugh), and even the job site.
Do you have children in public school? Homosexuals have invaded the Public schools where they teach values clarification classes.
Which is why I, as a libertarian, do not support the public education monopoly. If you hadn't voted for so much government power over the last 70 years my children would be free to be raised by me, their conservative minded parent and not by a nanny state bureaucratic public school system. How can you argue for such a system and then against the use of the system by those that you supported implementing the system? It reminds me of all the crazy leftists screaming that GWB's administration abused its power, and their response is to call for more government power.
Ever work in a school where the administration has been openly gay?Ever hear of NAMBLA...
I can imagine that further effort in getting you to see the destructive nature of Libertarianism is useless, so I give up.
More silly straw men. You talk about NAMBLA and public schools and then imply that they are libertarian organizations. Yeah, right. That, and other such groups, exist entirely to use government to further their schemes. Libertarians seek to disable government from doing any such things, so that parents can once again make decisions about their children. It is strange but that used to be a conservative principle, back in the days of your youth when the society you grew up in was still moral. Funny that.
This has worked so well with immoral men at the heads of major banks and corporations, has it not? Until they grab the money and run anyway.
Oh, so you don't support free markets. You would rather continue with the state managed ones we have now, and by the way which the above "immoral men" operated under. That is what always makes me laugh. The Left loves to berate the "free market" for any failure or abuse that comes along, and yet there hasn't been any actual free market in this nation for years. But, regardless, just how can you call yourself a conservative and call for state run markets, otherwise called socialism? Has so-called "conservatism" fallen so far that laissez faire is now even despised? And people wonder why the GOP and other "conservative" groups find it hard to be successful.
You picked a bad example considering what the Supreme Court did to that state law. I still maintain the unalterable position that Libertarianism and its sister philosophy of diversity, and tolerance always lead to a perverse society.
Maintain it all you want, but you are wrong. The current immoral and perverse society came about all under Republicrats. First you say that the "free market" that isn't free but instead run by non-libertarians is proof that free market economics are a bad idea. And now you say that society under statist morality laws is proof of the evils of libertarianism. Every time the statist philosophies fail its opponents get blamed. Very typical.
And, btw, there is nothing libertarian about tolerance. In a libertarian society I would be free to be as intolerant as I like, because the government would have no power to stop me. In a libertarian society my Church can preach against the sin of Sodom without fear of repression. In a libertarian society my money stays in my pocket and doesn't fund overseas abortions. In a libertarian society my children don't get indoctrinated by public schools run by militant homosexuals and perverts. All of those evils are the fault of people like yourself, who three off the libertarian ideals of the Constitution and adopted statism. Hasn't worked out so well thus far, if you ask me.
I have never voted for a liberal in my life, unless you count GW, and I do. I encourage all my friends to home school. You know nothing about me me cause you don't listen.
If Homosexuality, Pot, Open borders are so important to you, then do us both a favor, and let it go.
You have way to much time on your hands.
How exactly does the sex life of your neighbour affect you?It doesn’t if they keep it in their own home, but having worked in Interior Design, I know it doesn’t stay at home. Their sex life comes to the office, the storeroom (ugh), and even the job site.
But, don't you see, you just proved my point. Right now the government has numerous laws about hiring practices and tolerance which force people to endure this kind of public scandal. I want a remedy for this. Don't you see that the government is the problem in all of this, and not the solution? Let's get back to the way things used to be, when an employer could fire perverts for making the business look bad.
People on this thread, and many others, keep insisting on seeing libertarianism as libertinism. It is not. It is not about social behaviour or approving it, and it is certainly not a support for perversion. It is nothing but a political philosophy seeking to limit government. But, people will say, if the government is small then perverts will be free to carry out perversion. Maybe. But much more importantly, you and I and every other decent American will again be free to shun that perversion. And I promise you that there are many more of us than them. Why else do you think they keep trying to use the power of the state to carry out their agenda? They have to because they cannot move society without it, as they are nothing but a fringe group.
Think many years back. Society was a natural system. It operated by suppressing the unhealthy and enforcing taboos. That is impossible now. Why? Big Government. And that is the opposite of libertarianism. Stop worrying about how free the perverts get to be and start worrying about how you can be free yourself. That way lies victory.
I encourage all my friends to home school. You know nothing about me me cause you don't listen.
Why, you are nothing but a..., a..., a libertarian! Now, these friends wouldn't be homosexual potheads, would they?
If Homosexuality, Pot, Open borders are so important to you, then do us both a favor, and let it go.
Yep, you got me. I just can't quit going on and on about homosexuality, pot and open borders.
Why must people like you keep trotting out straw men and then calling them libertarianism? Libertarianism is about limited government, not pot, homosexuality and open borders. I have never mentioned any of these things except in response to your fumings about my alleged support of them. Support you keep insisting I have. And who did you say wasn't listening?
Hopefully the battle will clean out the stupid distractions and get a party committed to trimming back all forms of Big Government.
Politicized social conservatives are to morality what politicized socialist liberals are to economics. In both cases, they can't be bothered to get off their butts and do the required work. (In the former case, the required work is leadership and conversion via persuasion and example; in the latter case, the required work is earning the desired standard of living via voluntary transactions.) Instead, they want the guvmint to do it for them. It doesn't work.
I doubt that.
So clearly we don’t need murder laws, right? Because good example and persuasion will certainly win out, right?
Instead, they want the guvmint to do it for them. It doesn't work.
Yes, I believe this has become the standard position of both left and right. It is unfortunate. Look at the "conservatives" on this site that would blame libertarians for the failures of statism. Isn't that ironic? That is how far the entrenched statism has inveigled the conservative movement. Government, though, is not the solution. Right now that government forces "tolerance" onto everyone, and that filters into our children and ends with the implication that the aberrant are actually the norm. This leads to rampant social liberalism, which so many reject. However, we don't need to use that government to start forcing people to agree with us. If only we return people's freedoms to them then they will not have to endure this phony tolerance, and once again the values of the people will be asserted and the aberrant will again be treated as aberrant. Aberrance won't go away of course, as it never will, but it won't exert the influence it has for so long on our society. That is what we should seek, not government control. People need to stop blaming libertarians for their own statist failures and open their eyes to what big government has been getting them.
And the source for that doubt? You are an a$$hat full blown.
I did, and I was correct, else you would have bothered with this post.
Reagan had it right. The Republican party to succeed and lead requires ALL three legs of the stool...
Financial Conservatism/Small Government
Moral Conservatism/Strong Values/Ethics
Strong Defense/Self Reliance
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