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Will Recession Make Cities Dangerous Again?
ABC news ^ | Dec. 4, 2008 | Geraldine Sealey

Posted on 03/02/2009 4:32:03 PM PST by Jet Jaguar

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To: tvdog12345

I think it might start to go sky high, then level off and drop.

How many houses can the average thug break into until somebody gets his number? Three? Five? Ten?

I’m betting the low end of the scale.

And just like alot of other phenomena, 90% of the activity is done by 5% of the participants.

As the squeeze gets tighter on normal, J6P Americans, their tolerance for some of the stuff is gonna decrease.
Dramatically.

Sadly, it also probably means kids who cut through somebodies lawn to go to the swimmin hole and really aren;t up to no good might get some lessons they don’t deserve...


41 posted on 03/02/2009 8:41:16 PM PST by djf (I saw a werewolf drinking a Pina Colada at Trader Vic's... and his hair was PERFECT!!)
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To: erman
not shot or stabbed but strong armed with a beating... please I know that gets under reported. You are correct, by law all gsw, sexual assaults and "life threatening" injuries have to be reported.

You don't know what the hell your talking about. No offense.

Look at the damn statistics man. We're basically talking *major* crimes here, like murder, rape, robbery, assault, vehicle theft etc.... You don't think people are going to report these crime?

Get real...Stop wasting my time here.

42 posted on 03/02/2009 9:48:12 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Clemenza
"WILL" the recession make cities dangerous again? "WILL"?

Where has this guy been? That horse fled the barn a year ago.

And, you're right, all the fly-over immigrants are in for a rude awakening. Especially those who thought it was hip to homestead the frontiers.

43 posted on 03/03/2009 4:07:02 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: dragnet2
You don't know what the hell your talking about. No offense.

Look at the damn statistics man. We're basically talking *major* crimes here, like murder, rape, robbery, assault, vehicle theft etc.... You don't think people are going to report these crime?

Get real...Stop wasting my time here.

oh, righty... maybe it was just in this time..click here

maybe it was just in this time,also.....click here

maybe it was just schools don't count.....click here

maybe it was just it doesn't count if it's in Philly.....click here

maybe it was just it doesn't count if it's in San Fran.....click here

maybe it was just it doesn't count if it's in a National Crime Survey....click here

I'm sorry to waste your time with facts.... cause I don't know what I'm talking about and you do. Thanks for enlightening me. It's not like I've lived in neighborhoods that don't like snitches and the police just LOVE to fill out paperwork for stuff that NOBODY cares about.

I'm sure there are cops that cross every T and dot every I.... but just maybe there are some that aren't as motivated to "take a bite out of crime" cause they might have to put in 28 hours in a day just to keep their heads above water with all the paper work and bullsh#t they have to deal with, day in and day out.

44 posted on 03/03/2009 8:47:42 AM PST by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

not Republican cities....

but I’d stay away from Detroit, San Fran, LA, Miami and anything in NJ.


45 posted on 03/03/2009 6:19:36 PM PST by bpjam (Tell your Rep/Senator to Google: Marjorie Mezvinsky. Yes, it IS a threat.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Curiously, New Orleans didn’t get any more wealthy but murders went down.

Hmmmm.....anything to do with the 300,000 people who left and didn’t come back. Did the murder rates in Dallas and Houston go up instead?


46 posted on 03/03/2009 6:28:59 PM PST by bpjam (Tell your Rep/Senator to Google: Marjorie Mezvinsky. Yes, it IS a threat.)
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To: Smogger; Clemenza
Something I found at flynnfiles.com:

If crime is caused by poverty, how does one explain the strange case of Michael Pickens? Cornwall, Connecticut police arrested Michael Pickens, son of billionaire T. Boone Pickens, for burglary after finding him hiding inside a fishing store and a cache of store items outside the shop. People are poorer in New Dehli than New York and were poorer during the Great Depression than during the 1970s. The crime rate is higher in New York than New Dehli and the crime rate was higher during the 1970s than during the Great Depression. Poverty is not the cause of crime, though crime can be the cause of poverty.

Your thoughts?

47 posted on 03/04/2009 3:02:22 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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To: Longhair_and_Leather

I think that young men (inevitably the source of most crime, especially violent crime, but also property crime) need to be gainfully employed and/or in school full time.

Idle hands are the devil’s tools.


48 posted on 03/04/2009 4:21:31 PM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Longhair_and_Leather
It's a downward spiral. Pickens was convicted of securities fraud.

Then it's robbery. Alcohol or drugs may have been involved.

My thoughts?

Next time you catch a burglar coming in through the window, don't be surprised if it's a partner in Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, or AIG.

49 posted on 03/04/2009 4:32:12 PM PST by x
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To: Longhair_and_Leather

Your argument would hold water were it not for the fact that murder and armed robbery were higher during the 1930s.


50 posted on 03/04/2009 4:38:30 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

Assuming what you say to be accurate, that doesn’t explain the comparison between New York and New Delhi. Why isn’t there more crime in New Delhi? And according to what I posted, the overall crime rate was still higher in the 70’s than the 30’s. Why was that?


51 posted on 03/04/2009 6:42:10 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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To: Smogger

As much as employed men earning a living honestly helps, even those types commit crime. Ultimately, one has to choose not to do a crime. We’ve heard the discussion about stealing bread to feed your family. What stops one from doing it?


52 posted on 03/04/2009 6:48:10 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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To: x
"Next time you catch a burglar coming in through the window, don't be surprised if it's a partner in Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, or AIG."

It won't be a banker robbing me, it'll be a group of crooked socialists taking it out of my check, one of which is illegitimately president.

53 posted on 03/04/2009 6:52:40 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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To: clamper1797
"Again ????

Yeah. LOL!

54 posted on 03/04/2009 6:53:24 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Longhair_and_Leather
As much as employed men earning a living honestly helps, even those types commit crime. Ultimately, one has to choose not to do a crime. We’ve heard the discussion about stealing bread to feed your family. What stops one from doing it?

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It's not the 'honest' guy stealing to feed his family who causes the rise in crime.

Hard times bring despair among the weak. Despair, mixed with daily hopelessness and boredom leads to drug use in those areas where it is already part of the landscape.

Drug use leads to addiction. A jonesing junkie, crackhead or tweaker will hit anybody on the head if it means he can get well.

I saw plenty of it in the seventies.

55 posted on 03/04/2009 6:58:54 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Longhair_and_Leather
Why isn’t there more crime in New Delhi? And according to what I posted, the overall crime rate was still higher in the 70’s than the 30’s. Why was that?

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Street drugs. It is as simple as that and Clemenza can tell you that I do know what I'm talking about.

56 posted on 03/04/2009 7:00:27 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Jet Jaguar

LOL...my hometown of Jackson Mississippi has been dangerous as Soweto since “fill in blank Mr Steele” took over the city 20 years ago.

What will a recession do?

Make them meaner, more resentful or corrupt?

always excuses.

After the yankees got through, my ancestors were eating rodents and pets but could still make a nice coffee or tea or pull out the jug for a stranger and did not turn into savage predators just because of desperate times.

It ain’t economy, it’s inherent culture.


57 posted on 03/04/2009 7:04:53 PM PST by wardaddy (I've known black people over 50 years, raised with them and by them.. Obama ain't BLACK, HE"S RED!)
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To: Smogger

violent crime bumped a bit in the 30s.

what I found more unusual was how violent crime quadrupled and then some right after 1900?

?????

immigrant ghettoes?

like the Lower East Side...just guessing.

note high murder rate in 70s yet 80s is touted as crack nurder rate when in fact it went down

cool stats


58 posted on 03/04/2009 7:09:28 PM PST by wardaddy (I've known black people over 50 years, raised with them and by them.. Obama ain't BLACK, HE"S RED!)
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To: wtc911

But that is where it is my contention that only a belief in a benevolent God can prevent and/or halt that downward spiral. Without that, what stops one from justifying his behavior?


59 posted on 03/04/2009 7:22:13 PM PST by Longhair_and_Leather (The new presidential mantra--"Obama let babies die")
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To: Longhair_and_Leather
But that is where it is my contention that only a belief in a benevolent God can prevent and/or halt that downward spiral. Without that, what stops one from justifying his behavior?

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You are just a bit naive on this, the world is far more complex.

Also, there are millions of strong, honest, ethical people who have no solid faith or faith of any kind. The Ethical Humanist philosophy is genuine and provides a road map for maintaining a positive level of decency in society without any recognition of God.

60 posted on 03/05/2009 5:13:46 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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