Mitt Romney wins CPAC straw poll....

[teg_76]

Mitt Romney won the 2009 CPAC straw poll.

[Elsie]

Citizen yes, natural born citizen, no.

We shall see...

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Supreme Court cases relating to citizenship and "natural born" status

Although the U.S. Supreme Court has never specifically determined the meaning of "natural born Citizen," they have occasionally considered the matter in passing.

• Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857): In regard to the "natural born citizen" clause, the dissent states that it is acquired by place of birth (jus soli), not through blood or lineage (jus sanguinis): "The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, 'a natural born citizen.' It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth." (Much of the majority opinion in this case was overturned by the 14th Amendment in 1868.)
• Elk v. Wilkins, 83 U.S. 36 (1872): The Court denied Elk, a Native American, the right to vote as a US citizen even though he was born on US soil, because he was born on an Indian Reservation. Elk was not born subject to the jurisdiction of the US, because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe, a vassal or quasi-nation, and not to the United States. The Court held Elk was not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States at birth. “The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”^[18] This ruling was rendered moot when native Americans were granted citizenship in the Indian Citizenship Act of 1924.
• Slaughterhouse Cases, 83 U.S. 36 (1872): The Court discussed the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: "the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign states, born within the United States."
• Minor v Happersett 88 US 162 (1874) ^[4] "The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first."
• United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898): In this case, the majority of the Court held that a child born in U.S. territory to parents who were subjects of the emperor of China but who had “a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the emperor of China” was a U.S. Citizen. The Court stated that: "The constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words [citizen and natural born citizen], either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except in so far as this is done by the affirmative declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.'" ^[5] Since there was no definition found in the constitution, the majority adopted the common law of England that was a carry over from feudal times. The dissent argued that the meaning of the “subject to the jurisdiction” language found in 14th Amendment was the same as that found in the 1866 Civil Rights Act, which provides: “All persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are hereby declared to be citizens of the United States.” On the meaning of “natural born citizen,” the dissent also cited the preeminent treatise on international law by Emerich de Vattel entitled “The Law of Nations” which was known to have influenced the drafters of the original constitution^[19]: "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens."^[20] The dissenters also noted that: "it is unreasonable to conclude that 'natural born citizen' applied to everybody born within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the children of foreigners, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay, or other race, were eligible to the presidency, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not."^[5]
• Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939): The U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Marie Elizabeth Elg, who was born in the United States of Swedish parents naturalized in the United States, had not lost her birthright U.S. citizenship because of her removal during minority to Sweden and was entitled to all the rights and privileges of that U.S. citizenship. In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed the decree that declared Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States."
• Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. "We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President."

• Rogers v. Bellei, 401 U.S. 815 (1971): Reviews the history of citizenship legislation and of the Fourteenth Amendment's Citizenship Clause.

WIKI is our friend   --- (At times)

[broncobilly]

Anit-Mormonism is more deep seeded in large parts of the country than racism.

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I think it would be more correct to say that anti-Mormonism is more deep seated in Protestant conservative parts of the country.
That is unfortunate that they can't see beyond their religious biases. Mormons are stronger on the issues of conservatism than almost anyone in the Republican party. They are strongly anti abortion, they are a fiscally conservative, frugal people. They are intensely loyal to the country and the constitution. Does any state vote more conservatively than Utah?

[Dante3]

No, most of Palin bashers are MSNBC announcers and much of MSM; John McCain and his buddies; and left wing bloggers. It is outrageous how they lie about her and misinterpret her words. Of course, there are others also - Romney, Huckabee, etc. supporters. But they are no nearly as prevalent.

[Osage Orange]

Does any state vote more conservatively than Utah?

Yes!

Oklahoma.........

[Elsie]

Not only is he NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN but he is a LOUSY speaker and he is GOOFY looking! Chess Expert =

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Why don’t you take your own advice and come up with a pro-life candidate instead of sitting here and insulting everyone in sight.

The sad fact of the matter is the problem lies with the people in charge of the CA Rep party. They are pushing Poizner. Meg Whitman is considered the outsider and sad to say, the most conservative of the three.

If you don’t like it, quit complaining and do something about it. Otherwise you’ll get Gavin Newsom or Jerry Brown and they’ll do to CA what no RINO could ever dream. It’s people like you that gave us Obama.

[Reagan Man]

We're in 100% agreement. Gets my blood boiling too.

And thanks for defending Reagan from scurrilous accusations made by a few malcontents and dummies.

[Elsie]

He turned around a multi-billion dollar sports venture from the red.

By using BAILOUT money from the US gummint.

[Norman Bates]

Explain the 1967 law Reagan signed.

[SoCalPol]

You are correct.

As I posted earlier on this thread,
Gov. Palin got the largest crowds and energized them
during the campaign as no other.

She has the Conservative message but some don’t get it.

They support some other candidate who could not or will not draw the crowds and will not energize them with the conservative message.

[airborne]

I’m no expert when it comes to going back and pulling up old threads, but I know for a fact that during the primaries there were whole threads devoted to attacking and insulting the Mormon religion.

I hope that there is someone more killed at producing those links, but I will try. Because I know I’ve seen it.

I do not support Mitt because I think there are many more conservative choices, but that doesn’t change the facts that there were some here who called Mormons cultists.

Now I’m off to search...

[Elsie]

I've seen Romney's religion attacked more on FreeRepublic than I have seen at any other place.

And rightly so.

It was started by an ignorant, 14 yo farmboy listening to TWO lying demons.

(That may seem a bit, shall we say, HARSH to folks who have no idea what the BIBLE says.)

[Norman Bates]

Do you think it’s a conspiracy? CPAC is made up of committed conservatives. Robert Bork and David Keene endorsed Romney - there’s something there.

[narses]

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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

[Norman Bates]

Nice suit, huh? ;-)

[Norman Bates]

Yep.

[mojitojoe]

This Florida voter will NOT voter for Crist.

The rumors of his popularity are way overblown.
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There is already an active movement to make sure he never sees the light of day in another elected office. He isn’t a RINO, he’s closet liberal.

[rintense]

Oh I know some here are guilty of that. But what many Romney supporters did was automatically assume if you didn’t like Romney, you were anti-Mormon, which is blatantly wrong and irresponsible. Personally, I don’t give a rats butt about his religion. What I do care about is his record, which is why I could never support him for President. Now, if he were nominated for Sec. of the Treasury, head of the FED, etc., I’d wholeheartedly support him. But that’s it. And that’s all.

[GOP_Lady]

Indeed, a very nice suit.

What I really like is the camera angle.

[Elsie]

so U think a mormon LIBERAL w/ a hindu vp who is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN will get the Republican Nomination?

No; I don't

But I DO think that a CITIZEN of the United States of AMERICA, born of HINDU parents, who has had a DAMACUS Road experience with JESUS Christ of NAZARETH, would do quite well on ANY part of a National Republican ticket.