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Evolution debate persists because it's not science
The Sun News ^ | February 23, 2009 | By Raymond H. Kocot

Posted on 02/22/2009 10:58:04 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

Opinion

Monday, Feb. 23, 2009

Evolution debate persists because it's not science

By Raymond H. Kocot

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But did you ever wonder why Darwinism's general theory of evolution, sometimes called macroevolution, has been debated for over 150 years without resolution? The surprising answer is Darwin's macroevolution theory is not a legitimate science. The National Academy of Sciences clearly defined science in its 1998 guidebook for science teachers. The definition begins with [stating that] science is a particular way of knowing about the world, and ends with, "Anything that can be observed or measured is amenable to scientific investigation. Explanations that cannot be based on empirical evidence are not part of science." In other words, a legitimate scientific theory (a hypothesis or idea) must be observable in real time and must be testable, yielding reproducible results. That is the core of the scientific method that has brought man out of the Dark Ages.

Because confirmable observations and generating experimental data are impossible for unique events like life's origin and macroevolution theory, world-famous evolutionary biologist Ernst Mayr prompts evolutionists to construct historical narratives to try to explain evolutionary events or processes. In other words, stories are all evolutionists can muster to support macroevolution theory. If macroevolution theory, which must rest on faith in a story and is considered to be scientific, why not the creation story. With that in mind, it is no wonder the molecules-to-man debate has persisted for 150 years...

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To: ColdWater

No.


241 posted on 02/23/2009 1:27:18 PM PST by Cedric
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To: ColdWater

Non-British scientists recognized Piltdown as a “composite,” but it took four decades for someone to get permission to test the Piltdown materials and determine they had been artificially stained and filed.


242 posted on 02/23/2009 1:27:31 PM PST by js1138
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To: Cedric

Archaeopteryx —

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/diapsids/birds/archaeopteryx.html


243 posted on 02/23/2009 1:28:00 PM PST by atlaw
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To: Cedric

Archaeopteryx

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

Much has been made in pseudoscientific circles about the position of Archae within the evolutionary scheme of things. The usual “argument” put forward is that Archae cannot be a transitional fossil between birds and dinosaurs because it is a bird. This simplistic line belies the fact that, whilst Archae is indeed classified as a bird, it has been done so on the strength of 4 main characters - 2 of which are not unique to birds. This classification ignores the fact that Archae has numerous characters which are unique, unique in that they are not possessed by birds. Archae’s avian affinities are allowable on the strength of the following 4 main characters:


244 posted on 02/23/2009 1:29:57 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: js1138
Non-British scientists recognized Piltdown as a “composite,” but it took four decades for someone to get permission to test the Piltdown materials and determine they had been artificially stained and filed.

It took decades for the technology to develope to accurately test.

245 posted on 02/23/2009 1:31:08 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Cedric

It was recognized by scientist right away to be a fake.

wikipedia.com

“Almost from the outset, Woodward’s reconstruction of the Piltdown fragments was strongly challenged. At the Royal College of Surgeons copies of the same fragments used by the British Museum in their reconstruction were used to produce an entirely different model, one that in brain size and other features resembled modern man. Despite these differences however, it does not appear that the possibility of outright forgery arose in connection with the skull.

Approximately 1915, French paleontologist Marcellin Boule concluded the jaw was from an ape. Similarly, American zoologist Gerrit Smith Miller concluded Piltdown’s jaw came from a fossil ape.

In 1923, Franz Weidenreich examined the remains and correctly reported that they consisted of a modern human cranium and an orangutan jaw with filed-down teeth. Weidenreich, being an anatomist, had easily exposed the hoax for what it was. However, it took thirty years for the scientific community to concede that Weidenreich was correct.

In 1915, Dawson claimed to have found fragments of a second skull (Piltdown II) at a site about two miles away from the original finds.[1] So far as is known the site has never been identified and the finds appear to be entirely undocumented. Woodward does not appear ever to have visited the site.


246 posted on 02/23/2009 1:34:23 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: editor-surveyor

You are quite correct. Animus from those who have set themselves up as enemies is one of the sincerest forms of flattery.


247 posted on 02/23/2009 1:35:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Cedric
"You're on the endangered list."

Are you being purposefully enigmatic? Threatening? Clever? Or is it just none of my business? If the latter, just tell me. If any of the former, please explain; I'm slow.

248 posted on 02/23/2009 1:36:26 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

When you see the Admin Monitor CC’d, you are on the endangered list.


249 posted on 02/23/2009 1:39:55 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

Piltdown was spotted immediately as a false interpretation. Elaborate hoaxes are rather rare in science, so when additional specimens were found, people tended to believe Dawson, the finder. Having Catholic monk along for one of the finds added to his credibility.

De Chardin remained silent on Piltdown for forty years, never mentioning in his writings what should have been the highlight of his career — assuming he didn’t know it was a hoax.

The hoax ruined the careers of several people who trusted them.


250 posted on 02/23/2009 1:40:35 PM PST by js1138
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To: GodGunsGuts
yep.

Science: the study of OBSERVABLE phenomena

But those who cling bitterly to their evo-religious belief in their own primordial soup origins (see tag line) simply don't like the definition, so they have added the notion that they can THEORIZE all they want and still call it "science".

Despite the fact the fact that the macroevo theory is NOT obeservable, testable, or repeatable.

But they will continue to banter.

And I will continue to laugh at them.

251 posted on 02/23/2009 1:45:56 PM PST by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: YHAOS

Clever.


252 posted on 02/23/2009 1:49:36 PM PST by Cedric
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To: woollyone
And I will continue to laugh at them.

Laugh you may but the train of progress has left leaving you at the platform.

253 posted on 02/23/2009 1:50:25 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: utherdoul

>>I don’t get what the big push is about evolution. It’s at least as plausable that we evolved over millions of years and that life was conjured out of thin air and we were created from dust.<<

And vice-versa.

Actually, that is not true. It is, frankly, literally impossible for something like DNA and it’s actual functionality to evolve. Throwing more years and adding zeros to the “odds” number just doesn’t help. Eventually, the number is effectively “zero”.

I do know that if my chances of winning the lottery were 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 I wouldn’t buy a ticket.

I swear that if we could develop a microscope so powerful that we could actually find a manufacturers serial number on a strand of DNA some evolutionist would say the number “evolved”.


254 posted on 02/23/2009 1:51:14 PM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the 1930's.)
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To: ColdWater
“Laugh you may but the train of progress has left leaving you at the platform.”

Holding “progressive” views is not something I will ever miss.

enjoy your theoretical ride

255 posted on 02/23/2009 1:55:23 PM PST by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: ColdWater
the train of progress

The TOE train has, literally, gone backward for 150 years.

256 posted on 02/23/2009 1:57:19 PM PST by Cedric
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To: RobRoy
It is, frankly, literally impossible for something like DNA and it’s actual functionality to evolve.

I guess we can all pack up our science books and just get our facts from you.

257 posted on 02/23/2009 1:57:21 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: js1138

Blame shifting is not a responsible response.

You brought that up right out of the blue; nobody held a gun to your head and made you post that. You weren’t provoked and it wasn’t in response to any other post referring to the subject matter.


258 posted on 02/23/2009 1:57:29 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: woollyone
Holding “progressive” views is not something I will ever miss. enjoy your theoretical ride

I guess anyone that rides a Harley is not about progress.

259 posted on 02/23/2009 1:58:24 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: whattajoke; js1138
I'm telling you, this dude is totally a plant. Pure parody.

No argument from me there either.....

260 posted on 02/23/2009 1:59:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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