Posted on 02/20/2009 6:01:36 AM PST by rabscuttle385
We need a massive clean sweep of incumbents in Congress.
If this were to ever happen, their first move should be to pass a law limiting the terms of Congressman to no more than 2 terms, with a mandatory retirement of 67 years old.
The second priority would be to enact line item veto.
Many of the Republicans are JUST as bad as the Dems.
With this law they’ll find they can get the MAC address, spoofed or unspoofed, and then they’re stuck in a dead end. It’s a wireless hot spot, so the user could be hundreds of miles away by now.
So the next step is to require ID or credit card be logged before use of any hot spot. Then we’ll be like China, with perfect tracking of all our online activities.
Are you sure you don't mean "MORE", as in "three strikes" type warehousing????
Good idea. Let the politicians lose their civil rights instead of the citizens.
I do not see Social Conservatives and Libertarians at opposite ends of the tent, but rather close companions, each devoted to conserving a particular and valuable portion of the American way.
Conservatives vs. Globalist Moderates /Liberals I can clearly see on opposite sides of the "Republican Tent", and the "for the children" mantra is a liberal mantra from way back. The liberal church may be inclined to back such pap, but no social organization I am aware of is pushing for such un-Constitutional means.
I come from a Social Conservative background (though I am now an avid Reaganite), and I will freely inform you that with the Church under constant legal attacks, There is little support for tracking systems of any kind... We are not that stupid.
Almost by definition they are the ones more inclined to use state power to enforce morality.
That must be a swipe at the Pro-Life position, or the Marriage amendment position of the Religious Right, both of which I will rightly defend as being above the right of the states and localities to define, for different reasons... and the Pro-Life position being completely above the jurisdiction of any court of man whatsoever.
Those are both far different issues than merely bending the law to suit our fancy. Other than those two exceptions, I believe you will be hard pressed to find the Christian Right pressing to give the Federal government any jurisdiction over anything- They are more likely to be found fighting to remove federal jurisdictions.
In this case, massive state intrusion to prospectively stop some crimes. You can’t tell me this is a civil libertarian propensity!
Your suspicions are massively misplaced. Look to the Globalists, who are also working to get satellite control of vehicles, funding RFID technologies in both highway and pedestrian settings, and who have worked hand-in-glove with the Liberal Democrats to bring Big Brother along as far as it has come already. To the Christians, these are all shadows of things to come, and they do not bode well for Christian communities anywhere.
Well, gee, if the internet is so BAD, why did the ‘Rats want to put it in all the classrooms and libraries? Didn’t they spend a lot of our money on such schemes?
How wonderful, then RINOS are lockstep with the fascists in passing fascist laws. Is there any difference between the current washington GOP crowd and the Stalinists in the white house?
That’s like opening every letter that goes through the Post Office and recording the contents. What they want to do is shut you up for fear their government can come after you.
The problem with controlling the web is that the great programmers no longer work for industry- They tend to be independent as a lot, and even if they may be liberal whackos generally, one thing you can count on them to fight for tooth-and-nail is net freedom and software freedom. Thank God for them, at least in that way, they are like us, and they will preserve free speech for those who can use it.
There will never be a net that the street hacker cannot overcome, just as there will never be music that the street hacker will not be able to exploit. They are smarter, they are more diligent, they are more diverse and distributed.
Bear in mind, I do not endorse network thuggery- that is not my point. But Linux, Free software, the Torrent, etc... That counter culture is priceless in order to defeat total control of the media.
Hey, I agree with you that by far the greater authoritarian threat in our world is from the right. But this kind of proposal is the ugly side of the Republican authoritarian leanings. That’s all. And I agree, the modern Christian movement pretty much realizes its threat from the state and is less and less inclined to legislate their preferences: they’d be perfectly happy just being left alone!
Oh wait, I can answer my own question about why, if the internet is so bad, the ‘Rats wanted it in all the schools and libraries. They are the Party of Treason and Perversion!
Sorry, I’m under the weather today.
IN THEORY, if one kept a spare laptop drive with non-fritzed OS (any Linux will do) capable of spoofing a MAC address (again, any ol Linux will do), being careful to install no identifying software (Don't be stupid and put your name in it, or log onto your e-mail from it), and wander around till you find an unprotected wireless, How exactly will they know who you are?
Less warehousing, fewer strikes, more executions.
Authoritarianism is the natural mind-set for all political organizations. These elitists, both right or left, take turns chipping away at our freedoms, occasionally tsk-tsking about civil rights, but both sides know that fascism is fungible and hard to reverse.
Same goals, different playbooks.
*yawn* So a little packet sniffing, or a little social engineering to get at an ID, or a $10 instant cash-card... Where there is a will, there is a way. Hackers, both white and black, have been playing these games for years. If it can be written, it can be un-written.
My God in Heaven! What an embarrassment this is to Texas. I never thought I would see the day when something like this originated in Texas. I think I’m going to be sick now.......
Is a warrent required to access the info?
That I will accept, and I will accept that the OP is a form of social manipulation. I just want to clarify that Social Conservatism defines the Conservative Judeo-Christian community, and that they are *not* responsible for every sort of social engineering that comes out of the Republicans.
Christian [(s)...] they’d be perfectly happy just being left alone!
Not to draw too fine a point FRiend, But the Christian Right cannot do it alone, anymore than the Libertarians, or the rest of the Conservative factions can. That is why THE REAGAN COALITION IS SO VERY IMPORTANT. It takes all three pillars to form the Conservative power structure.
Peace.
...and then in a few years a horrific crime will be committed and John McCain will be presenting legislation to close the spoofing loophole. Or they will pressure manufacturers or the standards boards to eliminate the capability. Or the Department of Homeland Security will simply declare such such actions to be domestic terrorism. Speaking of which, you left the neocons out of your earlier diatribe. Shredding the constitution in the name of “fighting the war on terror” doesn’t sit so well with the Libertarians either. Neither does their interventionist foreign policy.
They won't. So five years after this passes, they will declare that forcing ISPs to keep records didn't work, because of folks using spoofing software, and then require that every internet user have a unique user key, that must be biometrically verified everytime they log on.
Does that sound paranoid? A bit. But I can't help thinking about the old saying:
When everyone is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking.
I'm disappointed in Cornyn.
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