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Doesn’t the United States make anything anymore?
The Buffalo News ^ | 2/17/2009 | Stephen Manning

Posted on 02/17/2009 5:12:29 PM PST by BfloGuy

The U. S. by far remains the world’s leading manufacturer by value of goods produced. It hit a record $1.6 trillion in 2007 — nearly double the $811 billion in 1987. For every $1 of value produced in China’s factories, America generates $2.50.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: china; manufacturing; unitedstates
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To: nyconse
"As for those younger than 14, my 12 year old shovels driveways (girl) for the elderly widows on our block and babysits in order to earn money...she is learning responsibility in an appropriate manner."

That sounds reasonable to me, and if that's how you feel best, more power to you. I simply know that starting after my freshman year of high school, I started working for my cousin, a general contractor, for well over 40 hours a week during the summers. I had more money than a lot of my peers, I understood how much sweat was involved in earning a dollar, and I was usually too tired to get in any kind of trouble.

Am I saying that every kid should follow my path? Not by any stretch...but they should have that option if they want to...and if kids love construction, mechanics, IT and are good enough at it to be productive, they will almost certainly pick up more useful "life skills" in the workplace than they will the overwhelming majority of high schools.

361 posted on 02/19/2009 2:23:20 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma

Does he manufacture computer components? They were invented here. Maybe televisions, right? They were also invented here. Or maybe pharmaceuticals? Machine tools? Textiles? Socks, shirts, shoes?


362 posted on 02/19/2009 2:34:54 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Proud_texan
We've tried it

Tried what? Who is 'we'?
363 posted on 02/19/2009 2:35:58 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nyconse
Autos was major for Sirius...you are wrong about that.

You obviously did not read my post. Sirius made deals with the automakers but never sold it to the consumers. Lots of people out there with 'bumps' on their cars but never renewed after the first free months. I written on other thread how Sirius could have saved themselves. Please read the posts before responding. Thanks.

364 posted on 02/19/2009 3:03:25 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: nyconse
Also, the union and GM have reached an agreement according to higher ups.

Really? Here is the status as of 2/16.

"The U.A.W. talks, however, have been constant since Saturday, when Ron Gettelfinger, the union’s president, at one point cut off discussions with G.M."

365 posted on 02/19/2009 3:07:08 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: hedgetrimmer
We as a country and heck, even before we were a county. The first and best know is commonly referred to as the "Boston Tea Party".

Ya see the early Americans didn't like a tariff so they got rid of GB. Not the only reason of course, the early US almost immediately imposed tariff not because they didn't like free trade however, they had war debt to pay off. Thus B. Franklin's quote "No nation was ever ruined by trade".

Then there was the Tariff of 1816 which almost caused the first Civil War and, while some will say different, in my opinion was a primary cause of the Civil War. Regardless N. Carolina made a lot of noise about it resulting in the Force Bill of 1833 which would have allowed the Feds to send the Army and Navy to quell any disturbance. It's also notable that the president at the time, Andrew Jackson, threatened to hang his VP, John Calhoun because Calhoun supported the position that a state had the right to nullify a federal law.

Things meandered a bit after the civil war but the most famous blunder of all time in my book had to be Smoot-Hawley which was passed because the republicans thought that the US had too much manfacturing capacity and even then they understood that higher tariffs equaled less exports. I'm not sure if this wasn't the bigger blunder in history.

Just about everything has been tried at one time or another and that at the end of the day in my observation less government intervention and more freedom works in the long run each and every time. True, it's ugly at times, people get hurt, but it's not a fair world and when the government tries to take the sharp edges off of life and micromanage things they hose it up. Every time. Bet on it.

And yet there are those that want the Feds saying a DVD player from Taiwan should cost $xxx more than it does today.

Yup, that's a sure recipe for success.

366 posted on 02/19/2009 3:09:33 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: ColdWater

Today is the 19th...the only item not resolved is the pensions is what I am hearing. This may take government action.


367 posted on 02/19/2009 3:13:29 PM PST by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: ColdWater

People did renew and Sirius considered this a factor in their near bankruptcy...they should know.


368 posted on 02/19/2009 3:14:36 PM PST by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: Proud_texan
Ya see the early Americans didn't like a tariff so they got rid of GB

What is GB?

Colonists then didn't like taxation without representation.

The "free traders" didn't like the tariff you're speaking of. They were instigators of the civil war because they didn't like tariffs nor did they want slavery eliminated. Too bad they took down so many loyal Americans with them with their manufactured crisis.

Its sorta like what they're doing right now. We still don't like slavery and we would prefer tariffs over income taxes to fund the government. You must not have any earned income otherwise you'd agree.
369 posted on 02/19/2009 3:17:47 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Proud_texan
less government intervention and more freedom

We are getting exactly the opposite with "free trade". You "free traders" don't want citizens to have their borders or their culture or their constitution. That's what you mean by more freedom, freedom for you do do what you want without any national interests interfering. The less government? Come on! The government has grown at an unbelievable pace under "free trade" and now because of treaties and agreements the American people are forced to conform to the wishes of OTHER governments as well as our own "free trader" corrupted government.

"free trade" means more government less freedom for American citizens. It's a demonstrated fact.
370 posted on 02/19/2009 3:21:40 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: nyconse

Come on, come on, we know you think $17,000 is a sub standard wage, tell what is standard?


371 posted on 02/19/2009 3:23:19 PM PST by razorback-bert (Will trade sex for ammo)
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To: nyconse
Well, I don’t want my taxes going to subsidize ...

What happened to the four billion of our tax money that went to GM?

372 posted on 02/19/2009 3:27:26 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: Proud_texan

Ah, there was a tax on tea...it was not a tariff. We did not put a Tariff on tea Britain taxes tea which lead to the Boston Tea Party-revisionist history. North Carolina threatened succession...and Jackson said he would hang the leaders...as for Smoot-Hawley, it had no effect on the depression but serves as a convenient excuse for the Wall Street crowd that caused the depression sort of like what they are doing now.


373 posted on 02/19/2009 3:28:04 PM PST by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: razorback-bert
Come on, come on, we know you think $17,000 is a sub standard wage, tell what is standard?

Through inference we know that she thinks that $22,000 with benefits is sub-standard.

374 posted on 02/19/2009 3:28:57 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

That would be a loan...if Walmart can not meet its obligations, it can ask the Fed for a loan...which must be repaid...although I don’t think they need a loan. They do need to stop dumping their underpaid employees on state and federal welfare rolls however.


375 posted on 02/19/2009 3:29:47 PM PST by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Well you did a remarkable job explaining how your solution was going to work. After this extended discussion I don't know anything new other than I'm a communist that's responsible for ruining this country.

I commend you for presenting your case in such a rational manner, I know I've been changed and I'm sure that everyone reading has been as well.

The power of your argument and detailed points is simply overwhelming.

Guess I'll just have to go back to DU where I'm appreciated.

376 posted on 02/19/2009 3:30:09 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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To: ColdWater

Why the obsession with numbers? You think 17,000 is good money today? You think you can support a family on this...give me a break. I think we should have kept the good manufacturing jobs and not have to rely on the underpaid retail sector.


377 posted on 02/19/2009 3:32:08 PM PST by nyconse (When you buy something, make an investment in your country. Buy American or bye bye America)
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To: nyconse
Why the obsession with numbers? You think 17,000 is good money today? You think you can support a family on this...give me a break. I think we should have kept the good manufacturing jobs and not have to rely on the underpaid retail sector.

OK. We know that you believe that anyone that makes under $22,000 is underpaid. What pay level would you require all employers to meet as a minimum wage?

378 posted on 02/19/2009 3:34:46 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: nyconse
That would be a loan...

What happened to the four billion in loan tax money that GM got last month? GONE GONE GONE. And you want more of our tax money, still.

379 posted on 02/19/2009 3:36:50 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: nyconse
"there was a tax on tea...it was not a tariff"

Uh, I hate to be the one to break the news but a tariff is a tax, it's basic economics 101:

"A tariff is a tax imposed on goods when they are moved across a political boundary."

Actually Jackson said both which doesn't make the fact that he threatened to hang his VP wrong, I just think it's humerous in these days when both are from the same party. I like to spring it on people who haven't bothered to read anything about American history beyond the dribble in publik skool.

Yeah, sure, S-H had no effect on the depression, it was a prudent move in a recessing economy. And de Nile is a short river.

380 posted on 02/19/2009 3:41:10 PM PST by Proud_texan (Scare people enough and they'll do anything.)
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