Posted on 02/17/2009 8:25:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Where did the idea of “millions of years” come from?
All of our media outlets push evolution and “millions of years” ideas on the public. Even children’s cartoons reflect evolutionary philosophy! In an episode of the cartoon SpongeBob SquarePants, entitled “SpongeBob B.C.,” the narrator begins: “Ah, dawn breaks over the primordial sea. It is here that millions of years ago, life began taking its first clumsy steps out of the darkness, opening its newly formed eyeballs to stare into the blinding light of intelligence.” Unfortunately, large segments of the church have swallowed the millions-of-years evolutionary history hook, line, and sinker. But it was not always this way. In this chapter, we will discover where the idea of millions of years came from and why the church went along with it. We will see that science does not require it, but rather it is a necessity of uniformitarian geology and evolutionary theory...
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“It is not the least bit scientific.”
Why not?
“We can show it is not 6,000 years old.”
Good for you. Total Red Herring, though. I never said it was. Don’t believe it is. But what does it matter what I believe. The Earth is the age that it is. Nobody knows.
Your God, which you call “science”, cannot prove it beyond a doubt. Your theory relies purely on information that is available to the senses. How unimaginative and in-the-box.
Look at the stars sometime. Wouldn’t that lead you to conclude that anything is possible?
Yes, science conclusively shows all observed event occur due to natural processes that are observable and falsifiable. Man can't walk on water (unless frozen), man can't raise the 3 dyas dead human bodies, mand can't feed 5000 men with 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes, and have more left over than he started with. These are called miracles, and are violations on the natural order, and thus ALL hard science (so called) refutes them.
Nevertheless, I believe the history recorded in the NT is factual and true, as well as ALL of the history in the OT. How can one choose which parts are factual and which parts are not?
How does one deal with the following?:
Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
You chastise conservatives as ‘anti-science’ and then say things like:
“If you just open your eyes and observe the world around you, perhaps you’ll grasp the fact that human beings have, indeed, evolved.”
Observing the world, as you say, is not scientific if all you care to do is look for commonalities. There is a vast gulf between commonality and causality. All the ToE has to offer is commonality.
The ToE has no basis in the scientific method, which would require causality to be determined in the lab. And, yes, I’m aware of the lab experiments on adaptation. Yes, living things mutate and adapt but show me the lab experiment under controlled conditions which gives evidence of the Evolutionary Tree as taught today. It doesn’t exist, except in the realm of commonality, where two fossils are assumed to have a common ancestor because of common characteristics.
I’m all for getting science back into the realm of the scientific method. Let’s bring it back down to earth and stop making absurd claims about things based on commonality.
BTW, Intelligent Design is an idea, not a theory, and shouldn’t be taught as science, because it can’t be verified in the lab. But neither can Darwinism and the ToE be verified in the lab.
Why not?
If I have to explain this to you, further debate is, as I said earlier, completely pointless.
“We can show it is not 6,000 years old.”
Good for you. Total Red Herring, though.
Uh, that's the main subject of this thread - Young Earth creationism. So not only do you not understand the scientific method, you don't even realize the main thread topic. Double the reason to stop now.
True. However their contention was:
"[If the universe is only 14.7 billion years old, how can you possibly see objects that are located tens of billions of light years from the earth?]"
"Shhhh. Don’t confuse em with hte dirty little secrets that plague their hypothesis."
The scientific fact is that astronomers have never SEEN those distant objects.
Chicago politicians certainly can...
Why would the geological formations be a joke?
So's the idea of civilization...or love...or war.... all still valid.
A God who doesn't create is no God at all.
Fixed it. The first was just a touch too absolute.
“One thing I learned from Bill Buckley is that it is useless to debate with dishonest people. “
Really? And what did he say about the dishonest debate tactic called ‘poisoning the well’?
The current state of the "science" pegs the universe's age aroung 14.7 billion years, thus, no observable object could be further than 14.7 billion light years away, according to the current "theory".
PS - I enjoy "scare" quotes.
What would have caused an entire inland sea to drain through that one spot? And what about all the other canyons on the Earth which are as large or larger than the Grand Canyon? Those in North and South America, Asia and Africa and Europe? Did all those have their own inland sea drain out through them as well?
LOL! But only long enough to vote...
Calling attention to dishonesty is necessary sometimes, even if it offends the dishonest.
I have followed up on my claims and cited specific instances where AIG has published research conducted by creationists that points to an old earth, but simply dismisses the evidence without citing any reason other than their need to have it be otherwise.
That is all buried in multi-hundred page documents. The stuff released for popular reading doesn't mention the old dates.
Ok. Thanks for dismissing other points-of view-or possibilities. Similar tactics are used by the global-warming cult.
Good day.
Third strike on your part. The Young Earthers follow a similar methodology as the Global Warming cultists - start with a conclusion, cherry-pick the supporting evidence, warp inconvenient facts, and simply try to ignore the impossible facts.
You are correct. The Young Earthers are very cultish, which is why I am not a member.
As Christians, what should we care about the age of the Earth. It is irrelevant to our faith.
You and I have bigger fish to fry anyway, which is big government Democrats revoking our liberties by the second.
Grrrr. You just had to bring THAT up, something we can do little about for the next 2 years!
Nuts.
Human beings have progressed -- synonyms: evolved, advanced, developed -- from this:
To this:
And from using tools such as these:
To a wired world.
And from being at the mercy of catastrophic contagious diseases like small pox...
To this:
And from having to walk everywhere, to the horse and buggy...
To this:
Do you want to do a “little” about it?
Write your STATE legislator, and urge them to introduce, sponsor, or cosponsor a 10th amendment sovereignty bill. 20+ states already have one working through their legislatures.
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