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THE DEADLY TOLL OF VACCINE HYSTERIA
New York Post ^ | 16 feb 09 | SCOTT GOTTLIEB

Posted on 02/16/2009 8:35:40 AM PST by rellimpank

THE idea that a preservative once used in vaccines is to blame for rising autism rates has just been authoritatively debunked - again. Indeed, some of the key early "evidence" now stands exposed as fake.

Sadly, none of this will kill this myth - because it was never based on good science.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autism; health; medicine; vaccination
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To: light-bulb

Thank you for your post. This is true for many kids who regressed incredibly after receiving a vaccine (or 7).

I have no idea what caused my son’s autism. No one else, including his two younger brothers, has it in our family. He was my first so he got every vaccine at the recommended ages, which is several every two months from birth to 6 months old.

How can pumping NEWBORNS full of vaccines and all the media and preservatives they contain be good for our children? How the hell could it be?

It goes against maternal instinct as well as pure scientific common sense to heave each of your baby’s limbs shot up, at one visit, starting at 2 months of age, with COMBINED vaccine shots. My brain says that is just absolutely wrong.

I’d never give any vaccines before two and I’d keep all babies out of daycare and huge crowds or groups.


221 posted on 02/16/2009 2:02:52 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: netmilsmom
If that’s what you want to believe. I prefer to believe all the teen girls I know that are NOT sexually active, nor want to be. They respect themselves and let you know it. Libs take it as a given. You can take it as a given. Fine. But I don’t. Because I’m not going to believe their omission of facts and buy their bs as fact. Many times conservatives roll over and accept their facts when we know differently. Ever met a “Straight Edge”. I know many. I know of too many virgins. I’m sorry you don’t.

All I can say is that I diagnose STD's in teenagers virtually every day. My patient base is very diverse- all religions, races, ethnicities, etc. It's the reality I deal with every day. Of course, not every unmarried woman is sexually active but I get called regularly by docs who tell me that their patient swears she never had sex and yet I diagnosed an STD and how is this possible. My response (once I confirm my diagnosis is correct) is that people are often not honest when they tell you their sexual history. It's just a fact. They lie to their partners, they lie to their doctors and they lie to themselves. And I also point out that not all sex is consensual and women who are abused often are reluctant to tell anyone.

222 posted on 02/17/2009 6:16:28 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Question_Assumptions
This reasoning has some justification when we are dealing with a disease like Polio or Smallpox. Does it really justify mandating vaccines for Chicken Pox?

I realize that chicken pox isn't as much of a problem as other diseases but, as others have pointed out, it doesn't always follow a benign course. I think on balance the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.

223 posted on 02/17/2009 6:26:26 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555

>>. My response (once I confirm my diagnosis is correct) is that people are often not honest when they tell you their sexual history.<<

Well, when you are cruising a MySpace or Facebook page, you know what kids are doing. I know who smokes, who smokes dope, what they have tried and what they haven’t. I know who is sexually active and who isn’t by what they write to each other.

No, they are not going to tell you or a doctor. But they will tell their friends.

Like I said, you have faith that every girl is sexually active. I know for fact that it’s not true.


224 posted on 02/17/2009 6:49:28 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: jalisco555
I realize that chicken pox isn't as much of a problem as other diseases but, as others have pointed out, it doesn't always follow a benign course.

No, and the vaccines don't always follow a benign course, either. The gap between the risk of the vaccine and the risk of the disease as a child for Chicken Pox is fairly slim and the risk of either is lower than the risk of getting hit by lightning. And need I point out that parents make all sorts of choices for their children, from putting them in a car to letting them go outside when it rains, that carry a far greater risk to their children than not vaccinating them does. If that low level of risk justifies government mandates in the name of safety, then the government is justified in controlling our entire lives.

I think on balance the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks.

The research done before the vaccine was widely mandated suggested that the cost and risks of the vaccine did not outweigh the medical costs and risk of just letting children get Chicken Pox. The only way you get a cost benefit is if you include the cost of parents staying home with their children and ignore the potential long term risks (e.g., loss of immunity) from the vaccine. And like I said earlier in the thread, if you feel the benefits outweigh the risks, by all means vaccinate your kids. But it's the height of arrogance to tell other people what to do with their children when the risks in question are so very low. I'm not trying to tell you what to do with your children but you are trying to tell other people what to do with their children.

225 posted on 02/17/2009 8:52:38 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: goodnesswins

I have a two year old, now a days, they give 4-5 vaccines at every 3 month checkup. I wont allow my kids to get them until they are older and their immune systems are fully developed. Even at this time, I have them a little more spread out. Any more, they are rolling vaccines off the shelf at such a high speed that you have to wonder if they had time to study them. There are some serious questions, you just have to do the best you can with the knowledge you have and pray the God will take care of the rest.


226 posted on 02/19/2009 9:21:33 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (I homeschool because I have seen the village and I dont want it raising my children.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
I agree that children get hit with too many vaccines at once when they're young these days. I'm 27, and even in the early 80s I got so many shots I can't even remember them all. Of course, then the school decided I needed ritalin because I was too hyper. It's a damned miracle I turned out sort of normal, all things considered.

It'd be much smarter to get a few vaccines in the kids at a time.
227 posted on 02/19/2009 9:54:21 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their president the same respect they gave mine)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
I don’t believe in peanut allergies either.

Now, I know you're full of crap.
228 posted on 02/19/2009 9:56:06 AM PST by JamesP81 (I shall give their president the same respect they gave mine)
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To: sometime lurker

agreed.. folks I work with, who came down with the flu in the last 2 months.. all 3 of them, refuse flu shots, (because they all know someone who got the flu)... interesting, how it’s always someone else who got the flu from it..

idiots... I try to explain, that it’s not a “live” virus... does no good...

so they suffer...


229 posted on 02/19/2009 9:56:40 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: JamesP81

> Now, I know you’re full of crap.

That’s rude. Is that how committed Christians from Kentucky introduce themselves when entering a thread discussion a couple days late?

Maybe use the “View Replies” button to get yourself caught up next time: or if you’re too lazy for that, why not refer to #133 for clarity.


230 posted on 02/19/2009 11:13:21 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: JamesP81
I agree that children get hit with too many vaccines at once when they're young these days. I'm 27, and even in the early 80s I got so many shots I can't even remember them all. Of course, then the school decided I needed ritalin because I was too hyper. It's a damned miracle I turned out sort of normal, all things considered.

It'd be much smarter to get a few vaccines in the kids at a time.

What makes you say that? Is there something specific with childrens' immune systems that make them more sensitive to vaccines?

231 posted on 02/19/2009 2:53:58 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: nmh
If you raise your kids properly you won't have to be so overly sensitive or paranoid.

So you are saying that if you raise your kids properly, they will NEVER make mistakes?

If your son or daughter has a dishonest bride or groom ... that isn't my fault. At that stage both should be honest with each other if they are about to be married.

But people make mistakes, and you are willing to write off the life of a young girl.....why exactly?

232 posted on 02/19/2009 3:24:43 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

You can hunt and peck for all the follish red herring you like but all you accomplish is looking like the irresponsible clown you are.

Cheers!


233 posted on 02/19/2009 3:31:54 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
You can hunt and peck for all the follish(sic) red herring you like but all you accomplish is looking like the irresponsible clown you are.

Are you saying you didn't write those "follish" things I took from your post?

If not, do you have a point?

234 posted on 02/19/2009 3:41:25 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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