Posted on 02/16/2009 6:17:04 AM PST by Sorry screen name in use
National Grand Juror candidates must meet all of the following qualifications:
* Be a natural born citizen of the United States (born in one of the fifty states of the United States to parents both of whom were U.S Citizens and resident in the United States at that time).
Is this (the parenthetical phrase regarding US birth, etc.)a QUOTE from a government requirement ? If so, I would like to know the source. I have a local attorney friend who “insists” that the term “natural born citizen” has never been clearly defined and I would love to forward this info to him if it is from a government document. Thx !
I agree. And having folks produce their birth certificate along with the birth certificate of their parents should be easy enough to do and for the folks to provide. I can produce mine and those of my parents.
Your attorney is correct... it has never been specifically defined.
Ask him what he thinks of Vattel's definition. [It's part of the Law of Nations mentioned in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 of the US Constitution]
CHAP. XIX.
OF OUR NATIVE COUNTRY, AND SEVERAL THINGS THAT RELATE TO IT.
§ 212. Citizens and natives.
The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
Vattel dedicates several paragraphs to the subject of citizenry, and I would be terribly interested as to your friend's opinion. :-).
It doesnt have to be defined. That is a liberal viewpoint of the constitution.
It is quite clear in the constitution what “natural born” means.
It doesnt have to be defined. That is a liberal viewpoint of the constitution.
It is quite clear in the constitution what “natural born” means.
Grand idea.
Perhaps they might want to google “winter soldiers” or “John Kerry” for some useful tips in how to run these things.
Thanks for that post. I had not seen that before. Donofrio made a great case for the definition of Natural Born ... there are a few cases that come close.
We just need to get this in the courts and judge it on merits before the constitution is so trampled that we can’t read it.
Thx for reply. My question pertains to the quote in the Grand Juror requirements. Is that the EXACT verbiage used in the current requirements ? i.e., being born within the 50 states and having parents, both of which were U.S. citizens at the time of birth ? Please let me know...thx !
Sorry, I really don't know. My post wasn't really connected to the National Grand Jury, it was a reply to another poster concerning a definition of 'natural born citizen'.
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