Posted on 02/16/2009 5:12:51 AM PST by bogeybob
The Senior Senator from Maine.
You might be right as Hillary wasn't "cool", Obama was "cool".
So that begs the question in 2012 do we find someone "cool" to run or do we go boring assuming people will be tired of "cool" by then?
I think you are letting ideology get in the way of the facts. It wasn’t just a bad economy...it was a depression. Roosevelt sent aid to ordinary Americans and they revered him.
Well, mine voted Democrat throughout her lifetime (from 1932, her first legal Presidential election, clear up until 1996, if not 2000, if she cast a vote from the nursing home) and she ingrained that hatred of Republicans onto her children (my father was so browbeaten, it took me to finally drag him across in the ‘80s). My aunt is a booster for La Raza (she is NOT Hispanic), my half-sister IS a Communist. So you get an idea of the kind of damage that gets proliferated by misguidedness and falsehoods being spread generation after generation.
And again, I vigorously and vociferously reject your tagging of Hoover as evil incarnate. I hope you read that article “Yongin” pinged you to putting to rest this nonsense that FDR “cured” the Depression with his misguided policies.
Free gov’t cheese, step right up. Free cheese, oh, not free... the cost is your souls and your vote to your death and beyond... eternal fealty to the Democrat party.
I have posted sources several times in these sort of discussions...you can google it. One can only get estimates of course 7 million to 15 million...how can you doubt starvation occurred with all the unemployment, the dust bowl and no social programs of any kind?
If we didn’t have unemployment, you would have starvation right now. In Ohio some soup kitchens have run out of food and food pantries are struggling as well. Two of my neighbors who work for Delphi (laid off ) have killed themselves. My husband will be laid of in April...most likely. One neighbor hung himself in his garage just before Halloween. My 17 year old daughter was the last one to see him alive...really traumatized her.
Making sure people don’t starve is not a partisan activity.
I did not tag Hoover as evil...he was not a bad person...but did a really bad job between 29 and 33...as for Roosevelt, look at my posts...I said his policies did not always work however, unemployment did go down...not to an acceptable level by today’s standard of course. Many of Roosevelt’s policies had nothing to do with ending the depression, but with alleviating the suffering.People appreciated it and voted for him four times. I would say most economist agree that it was the war that pulled us out of the depression.
You do know that Hoover enacted Smoot-Hawley right? Many believe this worsened the depression...personally, I think there was not enough trade for this...but others disagree.
I see DJ already answered for me. Thanks. And I'll have provolone.
Your husband is another FReeper, I believe, and he and I have discussed the bailout, and we disagree on the issue. You don't solve a problem by making it infinitely worse. We're either a capitalist country that believes in its people and gets out of the way to let them solve their own problems and be successful or we're a totalitarian state with the government dictating every action that is "right" and "wrong" based on a subjective set of principles handed down from the elites that can change on a dime. We're far too in to the latter, and I'm deeply troubled by what you folks espouse on here. It's wrong. Just because a neighbor commits suicide is not the justification for submitting to tyranny.
It is when it comes with a cost. This was about enslaving people to the government and eternal loyalty to a corrupt and twisted party antithetical to the Founder’s vision. Tyranny for a free lunch that wasn’t free.
.. paging Michael Steele. Kick these three traitors out of the party.
Pravda. Imagine that. ;-)
We sure make it hard for people coming out of prison to get jobs. Very counter productive and unfair. I get we’re you coming from.
I wouldn’t want to be without the right to vote. I guess I’d rather not have it though if meant 5 liberal democrats didn’t have it as well cause that would mean a net gain for my side.
Gray situation.
Ludicrous nonsense is right. She needs to check out the stats at the link I provided. Roughly 15 million Americans died between 1929 and 1939 --- TOTAL from ALL causes. Hoover wasn't responsible for 7-15 million dead from starvation or other reasons attributed to the Great Depression. Only a liberal Democrat in love with FDR's legacy would believe that BS. LOL
Ryan's Hope. You told me about that. Alleged DINO.
" When you're having to commute from your home state to DC, spend most of the day at work and don't get home until late, it can be a disaster. "
That's why we can excuse them moving into the area with their family.
Of course it was easy for Joe "Metra" Biden. The guy who plagiarized the Labour Party's Neil Kinnock is VP? Really? That's almost as absurd as Obama as President. I digress.
"I'd call Clayburgh second tier."
Well your a more exacting judge than I. He had a statewide office (Tax Commish). The same one Dorgan had before being elected to the House and Conrad had before the Senate. Pomeroy himself had been Insurance Commish. I'd call any statewide office first tier for a small state or a house seat
Funny thing about Kawananakoa being a member of the Hawaiian Royal Family, there's been such a dilution of the line with Caucasian/Haole intermarriage that he pretty much looks just like a White guy.
He does, a White King of Hawaii would be funny. Boy they sure like wearing those shirts, even in formal sitchs. I bet they wear them on the floor of the legislature.
I think Saiki would've likely won
ACU 50. But that beats the heck out of union dictatorship.
You're gonna need something with a bit more horsepower.
Well my dad has a shotgun and my uncle has some kind of rifle. Grandma packs heat as well.
I've never fired anything above a bb (my brother shot me in the leg, ouch) or pellet gun. Of course they are illegal in the city! Shooting beer bottles right under the Mayor's nose was loads of fun.
Well, DINO maybe by our standards. Liberal by '70s standards. Of course, he had to engage in a cover-up of his problematic personal life (nutso dependent babyish first wife, divorces her, had an affair with a lawyer lady, she gets knocked up, but he can't marry her because as a Catholic, he wants an annullment from the first wife -- eh, can't recite the whole storyline here, it is, after all, just a tv show, although it is such you can see how even good people can fall into bad relationships).
"That's why we can excuse them moving into the area with their family."
Well, Bob Dole had done that with his first wife and daughter, but it still was to no avail. First wife hated politics. Personally, with my interest in politics, I'd have a real problem with someone not similarly interested. It would certainly limit the discussions. Of course, you know my former fiancee was somewhat disinterested in the subject, but over time she grew in interest on it.
"Of course it was easy for Joe "Metra" Biden. The guy who plagiarized the Labour Party's Neil Kinnock is VP? Really? That's almost as absurd as Obama as President. I digress."
I always said that I truly believe Biden lost his mind when his first wife and baby was killed. I don't believe anyone can go through losing someone like that and ever be right in the head again. Probably what worked for the Clintons and the current Emperor & Empress is that the couples had total interest in politics (and, in fact, I'd say the wives had a STRONGER interest than the husbands, and used them to ride to power). Hillary, absent Bubba, would've likely been unable to rise above a shrill Congressmember from a moonbat rich urban district in Chicago (and Michelle in an adjacent Black moonbat district).
"Well your a more exacting judge than I. He had a statewide office (Tax Commish). The same one Dorgan had before being elected to the House and Conrad had before the Senate. Pomeroy himself had been Insurance Commish. I'd call any statewide office first tier for a small state or a house seat"
D'oh ! =smacks forehead= Y'know, for some reason, I was getting Clayburgh mixed up with someone else. There was a candidate for office with the same last name as another currently holding office, and I mistook it for Clayburgh. You are correct in that Clayburgh would've qualified as first tier when he ran. Clayburgh resigned early in 2005 from his Tax Commissioner office. His successor barely held on, Cory Fong (despite the last name, not Asian), and it's hard to tell if he looks like a potential future challenger for federal office (since Tax Commissioner is the same job both Dorgan and Conrad held at one point).
"He does, a White King of Hawaii would be funny. Boy they sure like wearing those shirts, even in formal sitchs. I bet they wear them on the floor of the legislature."
I thought physically he kinda resembles Slick Willard a little.
"ACU 50. But that beats the heck out of union dictatorship."
When you consider that you'd have to go back to Hiram Fong to see halfway decent numbers for a federal member, it was pretty good. Below that and I'd be be wary. If it was Chafee-level, I'd have endorsed Cayetano. 50 is better than the Maine twits, that's for sure.
"Well my dad has a shotgun and my uncle has some kind of rifle. Grandma packs heat as well."
Ben-Gay or Icy-Hot ? *ducking*
As soon as I heard of that I figured it played no small part in his bizarreness.
I'd say the wives had a STRONGER interest than the husbands
I'd say as strong. Little Barry was dreaming of the White House even back in madrassa. I myself had loftier goals, High Emperor of the Universe.
Hillary, absent Bubba, would've likely been unable to rise above a shrill Congressmember from a moonbat rich urban district in Chicago (and Michelle in an adjacent Black moonbat district).
Sounds like the 9th. Mickey could have the 7th which includes downtown. At least she's from here, unlike Davis (and Rush, Jackson). I still can't believe Hill was elected in NY. And that NY rats were cool with it and stepped aside for her.
In an alternate universe she's still a Goldwater conservative and we love her. (shudder) In another she's a RINO married to Mitt!
50 is better than the Maine twits, that's for sure.
Their lifetime scores are around 50 right now. But they're headed south, fast. 28 and 36 in 2007. Jeffords as Republican was a 27, Connie Morella 22. I wonder if she came out for Berry. Google's got nothing.
Ben-Gay or Icy-Hot ? *ducking*
That won't do you any good, I'll just hurl the brick at a downward angle. :-d
“Why do you think Roosevelt got elected four times if Hoover was so much better?..”
Hoover’s failing was starting the new deal. FDR campaigned on cutting spending in 1932 (massive lie).
He caused the recession of 1937.
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