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The Obama-Geithner Bear Market
Forbes ^ | Feb. 13, 2009 | Robert Lenzner

Posted on 02/13/2009 6:58:57 PM PST by FocusNexus

This is not the kind of stimulus our economy needs to get back on its feet when our banks still struggle with solvency.

The new spending pathetically "repeats the mistakes that got us here," says Robert Albertson, a principal at Sandler O'Neill and a former Goldman Sachs.

Only private businesses create job multiplication and true future spending power," says Albertson. "That requires a savings and investment program, not a doomed spending program. The latter tact ate up the resource base for six years during the 1930s Depression, with little or no effect on unemployment."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bearmarket; bhostimulus; clowardpiven; economy; manufacturedcrisis; obama; sabotage
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FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

""Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

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And we just see today's Congress REPEAT the grave mistakes of FDR, that the UCLA researchers cautioned AGAINST. They thought that now that the facts are known, nobody is going to repeat it, but here we are.

1 posted on 02/13/2009 6:58:57 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus
Lets see what the market will do on Monday and Tuesday. By Wednesdaay we will know the writing on the wall.

Perhaps we will have a short term rally. No recovery will be evident no matter what happens until a year or more from now.

Chances are there will be no recovery immediately. So we will have loads of MSM propaganda on how well the recovery is going , while we sink deeper into the hole created by Soros Obama, Franks, Freddy and Fannie.

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2 posted on 02/13/2009 7:03:35 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: FocusNexus

I no longer have much reason to believe the DJIA will stop at 6K. I think it goes lower.


3 posted on 02/13/2009 7:04:10 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: FocusNexus

Me thinks that is the demos plan...


4 posted on 02/13/2009 7:04:34 PM PST by stockpixx
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

On election day the DOW closed at 9625.


5 posted on 02/13/2009 7:05:13 PM PST by csmusaret (You can't spell Democrat without R-A-T.)
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To: FocusNexus

Obama has already failed, whatever the successes his administration may have, because he has failed to display the most fundamental attribute of a great or even good president: He has not leveled with the American people.


6 posted on 02/13/2009 7:05:51 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Capitalist American Atheist and Free-Speech Junkie)
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To: Candor7

Monday they will be closed methinks.


7 posted on 02/13/2009 7:05:59 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: FocusNexus
Change and hope is a throwback to FDR and a disregard for JFK and Ronaldus Magnus who knew at least knew that tax cuts stimulate the economy and actually increases Federal revenue.

There is little daylight between Marxism and Obama's policies. In fact, if Marxists were to design a "smooth coup", what would they be doing any different than Obama, Emanuel, Axelrod, et al?

8 posted on 02/13/2009 7:06:43 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Candor7

The audacity of hopelessness

Investors have little faith in Washington right now. And even though stimulus and the new bank bailout may eventually work, the lack of trust seems warranted.

Despite all the hype about the stimulus bill and Geithner’s new Financial Stability Plan (or FSP — pronounced foospah to rhyme with chutzpah, perhaps?), investors are worried that this recession is going to last a lot longer and get even worse

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/13/markets/thebuzz/index.htm?postversion=2009021313


9 posted on 02/13/2009 7:07:47 PM PST by FocusNexus ("Good and evil are present in this world, and between the two there can be no compromise." GW Bush)
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To: narses
You are 100% correct. Since we have no president, I forgot about the holiday.
10 posted on 02/13/2009 7:09:31 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: Candor7
The video is an awesome description of Obama-ism
11 posted on 02/13/2009 7:13:00 PM PST by verklaring (Pyrite is not gold))
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To: FocusNexus

Look on the bright side. Once the Messiah signs his stimulus plan, he will own the economy, good or bad.


12 posted on 02/13/2009 7:13:25 PM PST by yongin
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To: FocusNexus

They don’t care about economic recovery. They only care about total control. They’re dictatorial fascists.


13 posted on 02/13/2009 7:16:24 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (The committed will surely dominate the complacent.)
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To: FocusNexus

I can’t believe UCLA posted a story like this. Is this individual now fired??


14 posted on 02/13/2009 7:17:55 PM PST by CommieCutter (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/qt/3013_08.html)
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To: FocusNexus

[Haste makes waste, and destructive lack of cooperation from the Republicans in Congress is dispiriting.]

From Republican? WTH should Republcians do? Rubber stamp destructive Democrat policies? Vote for legislation that goes against Americans interests in the name of cooperating?


15 posted on 02/13/2009 7:18:46 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

Senator Casey - Cart Before Horse Invitation
Senator Casey’s Webpage / Email | 13 February, 2009 | Senator Casey - Staff
Posted on 02/13/2009 6:57:29 PM PST by brityank
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185360/posts


16 posted on 02/13/2009 7:19:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: verklaring
The only thing missing is an ABC News reporter on location trying to spin it as a new recreational "community" activity ( Bring Your Kids!).

Soon they all will be screaming their way to the bottom of their hole, and blaming everyone but themselves for it.

OH! How I will "laff" on that day.

17 posted on 02/13/2009 7:30:42 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, ( member NRA)
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To: FocusNexus
There was an outstanding article titled "Reaganomics vs. Obamanomics" in the Wall Street Journal this week. The core of the article is this...

In 1980, amid a seriously dysfunctional economy, Reagan campaigned for president on an economic recovery program with four specific components.

The first was across-the-board reductions in tax rates to provide incentives for saving, investment, entrepreneurship and work.

The second component was deregulation to remove unnecessary costs on the economy. In today's world, that would especially mean removing the onerous restrictions on energy production -- allowing drilling offshore and onshore for oil and natural gas, revival of the nuclear power industry, and construction of more electric power plants.

Third was the control of government spending. In 1981, Reagan forced through Congress not only his famed, historic tax cuts, but also a package of budget cuts close to 5% of the federal budget -- equivalent to roughly $150 billion today. In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan's two terms. By 1988, this spending was still down 14.4% from its 1981 level in constant dollars.

Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which helped win the Cold War, total federal spending declined to 21.2% of GDP in 1989 from 23.5% of GDP in 1983. That's a real reduction of 10% in the size of government relative to the economy. The fourth component of the Reagan recovery plan was tight, anti-inflation monetary policy, which was spectacularly successful. Inflation was cut in half to 6.2% in 1982 from 13.2% in 1980, and cut in half again to 3.2% in 1983.

We know such policies work because they turned around in just two years an economy far worse than today's. We were suffering from multiyear, double-digit inflation, double-digit unemployment, double-digit interest rates, declining incomes, and rising poverty. In fact, what we suffer with today is not the worst economy since the Great Depression, but the worst economy since Jimmy Carter -- the last time liberals were dominant politically and intellectually.

It is truly tragic our nation didn't learn from this lesson. Slightly more than half of our people elected the biggest moron to ever hold the Presidency who is doing EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of the Reagan prescriptions.

We are in for at least a decade of going sideways, just when the baby boom generation is retiring. This must be a master strategy to make all of us baby boomers wards of the state in our retirement. We never dreamed we'd retire being serfs of colossal government.

18 posted on 02/13/2009 7:43:52 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: FocusNexus
The latter tact ate up the resource base for six years during the 1930s Depression, with little or no effect on unemployment.

"tack", not "tact" ... like sailing.

Forbes, eh?

19 posted on 02/13/2009 7:47:23 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“This must be a master strategy to make all of us baby boomers wards of the state in our retirement.”

As well as clean out your retirement savings...and making sure you can’t access any healthcare benefits and thereby prolong your social security dependency.


20 posted on 02/13/2009 7:57:18 PM PST by mo
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