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Ammunition bans, like other gun control laws, promise to be as ineffective as most prohibitions
examiner.com ^ | January 29, 2009 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 01/30/2009 6:05:18 PM PST by neverdem

by J.D. Tuccille, Civil Liberties Examiner
A commonly available reloading press for manufacturing ammunition at home.

Hobbled by the Supreme Court decision in D.C. v. Heller, recognizing that individuals have a constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, gun control advocates are roaming the land with virtual lightbulbs over their heads. "Ah ha," they say. "You can have your guns, but we'll control your ammunition." Well, they're not the first to think of the idea, and they won't be the first to discover that "banning"' isn't synonymous with "eliminating."

California already has a law requiring firearms to include "microstamping" technology -- basically, firing pins that imprint traceable information on fired cases. The Brady Campaign wants to turn that into a national mandate (PDF). A group called Ammunition Accountability plans to go a step beyond, laser-engraving all bullets with serial numbers at the factory that could then be traced to purchasers in registered transactions. Laws to that effect have been introduced in 18 states, though none have yet passed. And, of course, some folks just want to ban ammunition altogether and convert firearms into decorative wallhangings.

There are, as you might guess, a few problems with these schemes.

Leave aside the cost of redesigning guns with mocrostamping technology and the challenge of replacing the roughly 270 million non-compliant guns already in circulation and in the hands of people not necessarily inclined to cooperate. Let's say you get it done. There is the added problem that few criminals are prone to purchasing their guns and ammunition in legal transactions requiring them to show their identification. Purchasing either a microstamping gun or laser-etched ammunition in a black-market transaction renders the encoded data useless...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ammunition; banglist; handpress; reload
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To: Pelagius of Asturias

Let me try to enlighten you.

You posted a measurement of 0.223. That’s not a .223 Remington which is the proper name for the cartridge. In order to use the name of the cartridge, you would drop the zero and simply write .223 and even drop the Remington name.

If you wanted to use the measurement for that particular caliber, you would have to write 0.224.

Also, I haven’t quite understood why Freepers insist on writing .45 Long Colt. The “Long” doesn’t give it any more boost to the proper name of .45 Colt.


21 posted on 01/30/2009 8:18:41 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Tarpon

Hornady uses red for the official colors, RCBS uses green and Dillon uses blue.


22 posted on 01/30/2009 8:21:10 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Ah so ... I have had a green one for decades.


23 posted on 01/30/2009 8:22:24 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: neverdem

I am sure that ammunition would be covered by the 2nd amendment, too. It’s as stupid as saying you have the freedom of the press, but not the freedom of television news.


24 posted on 01/30/2009 8:36:08 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Also, I haven’t quite understood why Freepers insist on writing .45 Long Colt.

Because there are TWO Colt rounds in .45 caliber. The .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) and the .45 Long Colt that is typically used in revolvers.

25 posted on 01/30/2009 8:39:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s more like saying “Purchase of printing presses is unrestricted, but purchasers of paper and ink must be licensed”.


26 posted on 01/30/2009 9:35:49 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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27 posted on 01/31/2009 1:03:57 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Shooter 2.5

There is also a .45 Short Colt.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/45coltlevergun.htm


28 posted on 01/31/2009 2:23:00 AM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

For pictures of .45 Long Colt and .45 Short Colt:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm


29 posted on 01/31/2009 2:30:47 AM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

See post #29


30 posted on 01/31/2009 2:32:13 AM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The proper names based on SAAMI are .45 Auto and .45 Colt.

There has never been a cartridge designated a “short Colt”.

The proper name for the round chambered for the Schofield revolver is .45 Smith and Wesson[Schofield].


31 posted on 01/31/2009 5:38:06 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

How many people know what a 9mm Kurtz is?


32 posted on 01/31/2009 5:41:51 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: panaxanax

If you wish to confuse people with made up names, have at it. SAAMI is trying to make it easier so there’s less confusion in reloading manuals.

Did you ever hear of anyone claiming they own a firearm chambered for 9MM Long Luger?


33 posted on 01/31/2009 5:42:40 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Eye of Unk

Most European firearm experts I would think.

Since you posted just before I did on the last one, did you ever hear of anyone claiming to own a firearm chambered for 9MM Long Luger?


34 posted on 01/31/2009 5:44:52 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

The old schoolers told me years ago that the .380 Auto is basically a 9mm Short but originally called the 9mm Kurst.


35 posted on 01/31/2009 5:48:07 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: Eye of Unk

I have a European PPK knockoff. It’s caliber designation is 9MM H. I would have to think in their country [Hungarian?] that their word for “short” starts with an H.


36 posted on 01/31/2009 5:48:11 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Eye of Unk

Kurtz I meant.


37 posted on 01/31/2009 5:48:45 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: Eye of Unk

The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers’ Institute (SAAMI)designated the cartridge as a .380.

The Europeans who designed it call it by it’s German name, 9MM Kurz.


38 posted on 01/31/2009 5:57:43 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

As usual my spelling is off, think thats bad? You should have seen my posts here years ago before I had spellcheck.

BTW, the metric measurement is different from the decimal standard, one would measure at the deep part or barrel width while the other is the top of the lands, just a little trivia.


39 posted on 01/31/2009 6:03:21 AM PST by Eye of Unk (How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! SA)
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To: Eye of Unk

I think your spelling is fine. All these years I thought the German word was “Kurtz”. I just checked two manuals and it’s Kurz.

The people who insist on wrong names are going to have trouble when they get to:

9MM Ultra
9MM Browning Long
9X21
9MM Federal
9MM Mauser
9MM Winchester Magnum

I don’t even want to get to the .38’s. LOL.


40 posted on 01/31/2009 6:23:22 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - TSRA- IDPA)
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