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A 9/11 family member chides the new President for closing Guantanamo terror camp
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | Janaury 25, 2009 | Michael Burke

Posted on 01/25/2009 3:26:05 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

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To: Alberta's Child

> The Congressional authorization for the U.S. military campaigns in Afghanistan is nothing more than an open-ended commitment involving no defined enemy, no conditions for “victory,” etc. It can be construed to mean whatever any future administration wants it to mean — though its ultimate intent is to provide the legal basis for U.S. military commitments that will likely last several generations.

So why is that a problem? The British Empire worked that way for many, many years, particularly during Victoria’s reign.


101 posted on 01/25/2009 11:39:07 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
That's fine. Then let's call it what it is: empire building, not "national defense," "defending our freedom," or any of that other nonsense that you hear tossed about by leftists and "conservatives" alike.
102 posted on 01/25/2009 11:41:46 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: gwilhelm56

Dude your so far off the beaten path its funny. I’ve been called a lot of things in my days but Liberal ain’t been one of them until today.
please go back and read the chain of events and you will see the light.
I was reinforcing what “Alberta’s Child” said in their post to “DieHard the Hunter” quote: “U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan probably don’t even constitute “warfare” under the legal standards of the United States.” as well they don’t fall under a formal Declaration of War.
I have got to ask the question what makes you think I’m liberal? You are seeing something that just ant there Bubba. Check my history.


103 posted on 01/25/2009 11:47:10 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Backup Regroup)
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To: Alberta's Child

> That’s fine. Then let’s call it what it is: empire building, not “national defense,” “defending our freedom,” or any of that other nonsense that you hear tossed about by leftists and “conservatives” alike.

The US in Afghanistan is cerainly not “Empire Building” as there is no suggestion of the US keeping any territory or resources that it gains.

But, like the British methodology, there’s nothing wrong with being on a constant war footing and having soldiers more-or-less permenently deployed overseas. It just makes sense. Why should all wars be tidy set-piece battles?

It happens that the WOT is a movable feast: that is because the Bad Guys won’t obligingly hold still in one place so that they can be bombed back into the Old Testament where they belong. Bloody inconvenient of them, but that’s how it is.


104 posted on 01/25/2009 11:53:10 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Its far from empire building. Basic tactics, why fight the enemy on your soil when you can take the fight to them. Yes it is defense because all that are terminated outside the country will not be a problem in the future inside the country.
Reach out and touch them. Problem is I fear we are going to tie the hands of our troops now and that will be problem.


105 posted on 01/25/2009 11:55:56 AM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen; Sergeant Tim; Baynative

AMERICA’S IMAGE DAMAGED BY GITMO????

Personally, I can give 2 shites about what others think about us. not when defense of the homeland and the world at large is at stake. What the genious troll who made that idiotic statement above forgets is this......Talk to anyone anywhere in the developed world and the response is the same. HOW THE HELL DID YOU VOTE THE SOCIALIST IN??? Most of the world knnows and agrees with the policies W enacted as a result of 9/11.

I really think Barack wants the opportunity just like Bubba did, to take a pass and not retaliate, just like in ‘93. In 4 days he has taken steps to make this a possibility. I can see Biden’s prediction come truue and Barack gets tested and he’ll hide under the desk and the rest of the world will say a collective IWE TOLD YOU SO!!!

Closing Gitmo and housing those thugs,not POW’s on our soil? I don’t think so!!!


106 posted on 01/25/2009 12:01:31 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: Fudd Fan; gwilhelm56; cleveland gop

Imagine meeting you folks here - ;-)


107 posted on 01/25/2009 12:06:38 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: cleveland gop
**AMERICA’S IMAGE DAMAGED BY GITMO????**

Who Cares?

AS an AMERICAN, I do not want you to LIKE US ... I want you to RESPECT US.. and if you Will not Respect US ... I WANT YOU TO FEAR US!!

108 posted on 01/25/2009 12:13:47 PM PST by gwilhelm56 (Mullah Hussein ... which part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW" ...did you NOT UNDERSTAND??)
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To: Fudd Fan

I couldn’t of said it any better myself.


109 posted on 01/25/2009 12:22:53 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen; Clint N. Suhks

Imagine that!!!

But I’ve got to get someone else to throw in his 2 cents!!!


110 posted on 01/25/2009 12:30:14 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: austrian
only because i think that every one should have a trial where they can prove him that he is indeed a terrorist before they lock him up and throw away the key

You are indeed the worst kind of fool. Maybe we should put these TERRORIST MURDERERS right on your doorstep.

111 posted on 01/25/2009 12:32:34 PM PST by Just Lori (Liberalism ---->Socialism----->Communism------>BONDAGE!!!!)
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To: austrian

It’s quite probable that some of the info we’ve gotten from some of these terrorist combatants has prevented a few attacks on your soil, too. Your simple-minded foolishness is only superceded by your blind ignorance.


112 posted on 01/25/2009 12:39:34 PM PST by Just Lori (Liberalism ---->Socialism----->Communism------>BONDAGE!!!!)
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To: gwilhelm56

I know we’re on the same page.....

It’s just too damn bad That One is trying to wreck it all and send us back to the stone age all at once.


113 posted on 01/25/2009 12:43:22 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

On a Sunday, even! =)


115 posted on 01/25/2009 12:47:27 PM PST by Just Lori (Liberalism ---->Socialism----->Communism------>BONDAGE!!!!)
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To: cleveland gop

LOL - yep, gotta have Clint here too.


116 posted on 01/25/2009 12:49:29 PM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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117 posted on 01/25/2009 12:49:43 PM PST by Just Lori (Liberalism ---->Socialism----->Communism------>BONDAGE!!!!)
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To: Just Lori

Ain’t Sunday afternoon discussions great??


118 posted on 01/25/2009 12:50:21 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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To: cleveland gop

I’m not too crazy about this one. Dealing with useless idiots who think they are oh so intelligent and superior is not my favorite pastime.


119 posted on 01/25/2009 12:54:50 PM PST by Just Lori (Liberalism ---->Socialism----->Communism------>BONDAGE!!!!)
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To: Just Lori

See what kind of audience you attract??


120 posted on 01/25/2009 12:56:44 PM PST by cleveland gop (Jack Bauer is back!!! Are you in a FLANK 2 position???)
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