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Liberal Democrats seek to expand stimulus package beyond $1 trillion (looting of Treasury quickens)
The Hill ^ | 1/19/09 | Mike Soroghan

Posted on 01/19/2009 4:25:04 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Liberal Democrats in the House are lobbying hard to put President-elect Obama’s economic stimulus bill over the trillion-dollar mark.

“Some of us are saying we need a stimulus of 1.2 or 1.3 or 1.4 trillion to prevent a depression, rather than just slow our descent into a depression,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.).

The Congressional Progressive Caucus is circulating a letter to Obama among its members, asking for a meeting with him to talk about dramatically expanding the bill. The caucus is also seeking signatures from members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, the Asian-Pacific Islander Caucus and the Congressional Black Caucus.

But Republicans are balking at the cost of the stimulus as it is, blasting what they see as the government spending the country out of a recession. And Democratic leaders are resisting the calls to make it bigger.

“We face a steep hill to climb after eight years of Bush economic policies that have given us a huge deficit and millions of job losses,” said a Democratic leadership aide. “So any economic recovery package must be large enough to spur immediate and long-lasting job growth and to help the economy grow again, but any plan must also take into account the reality of the fiscal crisis.”

Nadler and his fellow liberals aren’t the only Democrats who think the bill might not be big enough. House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) said when he rolled out the $825 billion plan that it “may undershoot the mark” and suggested Congress may have to spend more money to stimulate the economy.

But Obey appeared to be talking about another bill at a later date. Nadler doesn’t think that will work.

“People are saying you can do it later. But if this doesn’t fix it, Republicans will say you threw all this money at it and it didn’t work,” Nadler said. “It’s all or nothing. We have to get it right the first time.” Committees are expected to revise and vote on the bill Wednesday. Obey hopes to get the bill to the floor by Jan. 28 and pass it by Feb. 13.

As it stands, the package has $550 billion in spending on items like assistance for local government, public-works projects and green energy. It also has $275 billion in tax cuts, $25 billion less than Obama had sought and a smaller part of the package than the 40 percent Obama had proposed. Still, the tax cut portion is larger than liberals would like.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; democrats; expand; liberal; stimulus; taxes
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1 posted on 01/19/2009 4:25:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
“Some of us are saying...

Where do these people get these numbers???

2 posted on 01/19/2009 4:29:12 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: NormsRevenge

They want to bankrupt this country


3 posted on 01/19/2009 4:30:02 PM PST by GeronL (A woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood)
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To: April Lexington

What they gonna do when it all runs flat?


4 posted on 01/19/2009 4:30:15 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I wonder if we could start equating ammo rounds to dollars or how soon ... if a .45 round was worth a shot of whiskey in the old west then today it would take ‘x’ amount to buy ...? And how would it vary with size as in what would one 30-06 round be worth?


5 posted on 01/19/2009 4:32:59 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: NormsRevenge
For the "Common Good", eh?

Well, keep going, you socialist bastards.......you can't get blood out of a turnip, and you're goin' to the well once too often!

6 posted on 01/19/2009 4:33:35 PM PST by traditional1 ("The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery")
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To: GeronL

“Nazi Pelosi”, speacks to her minions.

“Hey guys if we can devalue the dollar even more, everyone will have to be on our payroll, and we own everything”

“Maniacal laughter fades off”


7 posted on 01/19/2009 4:33:44 PM PST by sniper63 (Silent and stealthy - one shot - one kill)
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To: NormsRevenge

All of this leads me to recall a scene in Back to the Future II where Marty McFly, in order to fit in with the clothing styles of 2018, had to wear his pockets inside out. I always wondered what would ever lead kids to want to do that. Now I see it was likely to symbolize that their generation is completely broke due to the excessive spending of the previous 10 years by government.


8 posted on 01/19/2009 4:37:30 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Tarpon
Then we will be so indebted to the Government that they will have immense control over us. Welcome to Socialism. My husband asked why I supported the first bailout and not this one. The first bailout was billed as ‘loans’ to be paid back with interest. This new bailout is just free money. There will be no return on all those public sector jobs 0bama wants. It will just be debt for us to try to cover over the next century.
9 posted on 01/19/2009 4:38:26 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: NormsRevenge

I truly fear for my children’s future.


10 posted on 01/19/2009 4:39:24 PM PST by twoputt
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To: GeronL
The headline on this article is a not quite accurate. Looting indicates there is something there to take. There's nothing in the cookie jar folks.
11 posted on 01/19/2009 4:39:38 PM PST by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: originalbuckeye

The painful lessons of history not learned, are painful.


12 posted on 01/19/2009 4:44:12 PM PST by Tarpon (America's first principles, freedom, liberty, market economy and self-reliance will never fail.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm not much of an "economist," and I may be mistaken, but the last numbers I saw were that the GDP of the USA is roughly 13 trillion dollars. So this stimulus bill, and previous ones are the size of more than 1/10th of all the goods and services produced in the USA in a year. Does anybody really believe that this won't cause the USA to default on her obligations? And let's remember that we have a fiat currency, the value of which is based on the "full faith and credit" of the USA. Well, what happens when the faith is lost, and no more credit will be extended to Uncle Sam? Does this mean we should prepare for economics like we can see today in Zimbabwe?

Mark

13 posted on 01/19/2009 4:47:41 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: bushbuddy

You said “I truly fear for my children’s future.”

I don’t. My kids voted for O-boy. Let ‘em reap what they sow. By the way, they were influenced by their momma, a dumb as rocks liberal.

As for the trillion, if I can I’m getting in line to get some if I can.


14 posted on 01/19/2009 4:53:09 PM PST by Terry Mross (Is this our last REAL Christmas?)
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To: All

Yes, the looting begins.. NO SURPRIZE~


15 posted on 01/19/2009 4:54:22 PM PST by HarryH (Still Standing in the Gap!)
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To: NormsRevenge

How can conservatives object to Obama’s Trillions for Main Street when Bush’s Trillions for Wall Street went to people who got us into this mess?


16 posted on 01/19/2009 5:03:53 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Keynes is dead. Keynesianism is dead.)
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To: HarryH
Yes, the looting begins..

That's exactly what it is - looting. When will it be time?

17 posted on 01/19/2009 5:09:09 PM PST by meyer (We are all John Galt)
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To: MarkL

“Does this mean we should prepare for economics like we can see today in Zimbabwe?”

I truly doubt it. Europe is in worse shape. And there is printing and bailing in other parts of the World as well. Those financial troubles and their appropiate fixes make for an offset to the U.S. The dollar is the reserve currency still and it’s been quite strong of late. It’s up almost 2% this evening as i write. But, who knows, maybe the US Dolar is in it’s own bubble of sorts. I’ll say this....this whole blasted mess is damn confusing.


18 posted on 01/19/2009 5:12:23 PM PST by Boanarges
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To: NormsRevenge

The deficit shot up in 2002 and 2003 (after 9/11 and the economic hit from that), and then was FALLING steadily, under $200 billion in 2006.

Then the Slavery Party took over, and the deficit immediately exploded to over $400 billion. And now, with their Marxist Messiah in control, he’s promising $1 trillion deficits for the foreseeable future!

Libtards always forget that spending STARTS in the House!


19 posted on 01/19/2009 5:22:14 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Tarpon

“What they gonna do when it all runs flat?”

Blame Bush and insist on Police state when the riots start.


20 posted on 01/19/2009 5:48:20 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("Control the information, you control the people.")
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