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So, what are your plans for the coming debacle?
Vanity | January 18, 2009 | WCF

Posted on 01/18/2009 7:25:44 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth

This thread (if it survives the moderators) is meant to be an end of the Republic commemorative. Bracketed by end of the Julian calendar and the Chinese New year, I thought a repository of comments marking the rise of a new leftist messiah to be sardonic and fitting.

Before any FReepers hit the ABUSE button, please look around youself . . . with kooky vanities about just-the-right-puppy-breeds and the non-stop religious scripts and debates abounding on NEWS/ACTIVISM, I thought a simple question about what conservatives were personally considering doing during the promise of a new age of fascism might be worthwhile.
So, given that we're all of a conservative mindset and that (as adults) we all recognize what the next four years (or decade and beyond) might herald, I ask: What are your plans? Where do you plan to go and what do you plan to do in years of the coming darkness?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: difficulttimes; praypraypray; survival; thecomingdarkness
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To: Salamander

He gave up working and let himself go...


121 posted on 01/18/2009 9:06:28 PM PST by Redcitizen (This tagline is 100% recycled from other taglines. It's "green")
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To: txroadkill

I never thought I would look upon so many Americans in such an ugly light. I will never consider these dupes to be “Fellow Americans”...ever again. Now I am looking upon many of them as enemies of my Freedom, Prosperity and Security.


122 posted on 01/18/2009 9:08:09 PM PST by unkus
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To: mplsconservative

Ouch on those kinds of temps. We actually broke 40 today, after 2 days of real cold — for this area.

The attic, where I am sitting right now, stays pretty warm, especially when we’ve got a fire going in the wood stove because the chimney is in the middle of the room, but natural light is a problem, which is why I loved the shelves around the windows in the front room. Windows facing east and south, always natural light in that room.

appreciate the hugs, but you didn’t miss anything, I rarely say anything about it. Long story short -— hubby’s been out of work for over a year and I lost my job in August. We’ve both been working, just not “real” jobs. We still have a roof over our heads, so I’m not complaining (too much.) Many FReeper FRiends have been absolutely awesome.

I’m totally looking forward to spring, I can practically taste it, I want it so bad!!!!!


123 posted on 01/18/2009 9:08:55 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz

Oh, Please add me to the garden list!

I am getting old and feeble, but have grown most veggies suitable to our climate, and know how to start seeds under lights for early planting out.


124 posted on 01/18/2009 9:09:49 PM PST by jacquej
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

Thanks.

WILCO.


125 posted on 01/18/2009 9:11:07 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: nina0113

Could you please tell me about Dave Ramsey’s plan for getting out of debt, is it a book? Thanks in advance.


126 posted on 01/18/2009 9:11:58 PM PST by Jmouse007 (tot)
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To: Salamander

Ian Anderson is awesome as a songwriter.
BTW. Nice Profile!


127 posted on 01/18/2009 9:13:48 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: TLI

“I will be at work, wearing all black.”

That’s it! We should wear black arm bands this week.


128 posted on 01/18/2009 9:14:14 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: Patrick1

If only that were true, the sad reality is that whoever is President *does* have a major affect on all Americans. That’s not how it should be, but that’s how it is.

Government ought not interfere in peoples’ lives to any extent greater than is necessary to keep individuals from interfering with eachother.


129 posted on 01/18/2009 9:15:58 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Check out the Baker Creek Heirloom seed company, i think the town is Marshfield Missouri. They have everything for the garden.


130 posted on 01/18/2009 9:16:36 PM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: null and void
"Move to New Zealand?"

Move to a worse Nanny state? Brilliant move....

131 posted on 01/18/2009 9:17:18 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

They voted Helen Clarke out. I figure they might be on the way up.


132 posted on 01/18/2009 9:19:40 PM PST by null and void (KENYAN GO HOME!)
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To: o_zarkman44; Dr.Zoidberg

Here it is: http://rareseeds.com/

Thanks for the resource.


133 posted on 01/18/2009 9:20:06 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: mojitojoe

What country, may I ask? I have a friend moving to Central America.


134 posted on 01/18/2009 9:20:21 PM PST by unkus
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To: Dr.Zoidberg
Don't forget flea markets and the often scowled upon art of the dumpster dive. (it's not just for leftists anymore.)

The leftists stole both of those from our side in an attempt to make something of themselves..........

135 posted on 01/18/2009 9:20:24 PM PST by Gabz
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed; Gamecock; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy; Alamo-Girl; airborne; ...

INDEED:

http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/page/overview/


Overview

By Herb Peters, founder of Fulfilled Prophecy
Written December 28, 2006

A Little Background

Fifteen years ago I began following a story that today needs to be told. What started as a discovery of a 10-nation military alliance in Western Europe may have become the actual record of the fulfillment of the end-time prophecies — all the way to Daniel’s 70th Week.

In the early 1990s, when I first began my journey as a newspaper columnist, I was not aware of the many different ways to interpret the ancient prophecies of Scripture. My religious experience was limited to a long family history of a literal belief in the Bible and a dispensational approach to the subject of end-time prophecy. So, what follows is not intended as an argument for a particular method of biblical interpretation. What follows is simply my experience.

In the Old Testament book of Daniel we read:

And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate (Daniel 9:27 New America Standard Bible).

In my religious circles, it is commonly believed the passage above foretells the rise of a new leader from out of a revived Roman Empire who will confirm, strengthen, or make strong, a covenant, agreement, or treaty, with many for a period of seven years. Israel will be included in this covenant. After 3 1/2 years, the leader will put a stop to Israel’s restored Temple Mount rituals. In other passages from Daniel, we learn that this leader will appear among a 10-nation alliance (Daniel 7:7-8). And, on his rise to power, the leader will subdue three kings from the 10-nation alliance (Daniel 7:24). And, in the New Testament book of Revelation we learn that this leader will somehow be identified with the number 666 (Revelation 13:18).

The Unreported News

Friends, everything that’s written above is what appears to be happening. Today, for the first time in 2000 years, we’re seeing the Roman Empire being successfully revived through a European reunification process that has come to be known as the European Union (EU). And, as I stated at the beginning, a 10-nation alliance has also appeared in Europe. On January 1, 1995, Greece became the 10th nation of a military alliance known as the Western European Union (WEU). These 10 nations are members of both NATO and the European Union (EU). What binds these 10 nations together is a mutual defense obligation under Article Five of the modified Brussels Treaty. These 10 nations are also known as the Brussels Treaty Powers.

In December of 1998, at their Vienna summit, the EU’s heads created the Office of High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy for the European Union. The holder of this new office would be empowered by the many EU member states to direct their common foreign and security policy toward the Russian Federation, the Ukraine, the Balkans and — biblically significant — the Mediterranean. The funny thing is, out of over 1,150 documents that were generated by the summit, the document that created the post of High Representative was number 666.

For me, as a reporter, here is where the real political intrigue begins. While the EU heads were busy in Vienna creating the post of High Representative, Javier Solana, as then Secretary General of NATO, was busy restructuring NATO for the post Cold War era. What this meant to some European leaders would later become evident. Now that the Soviet Union was no longer a military threat, dependence on America was no longer necessary. So, Solana divided NATO into two strategic commands — one in Norfolk, Virginia, for America, and one in Brussels for Europe. In other words, Solana split the Atlantic Alliance down the middle. He turned the 10 WEU nations into a second pillar of NATO.

In October 1999, when his job as the head of NATO was ending, Javier Solana became the EU’s first High Representative. Solana also became the Secretary General of the Council of the European Union — the EU’s true seat of power. The following month in November, Solana was made Secretary General of the 10-nation WEU alliance. Needless to say, these three positions made Solana a powerful new player in this modern-day revival of the old Roman Empire.

More political intrigue was to come. On June 5, 2000, the 10 WEU nations adopted their Assembly Recommendation 666. The importance of this document was to recommend to the Council of the European Union that the 10 Brussels Treaty Powers should be kept together as the EU’s new military wing. It also recommended giving the High Representative emergency powers — powers even the EU’s president doesn’t have. Since Solana was Secretary General of both the WEU and the Council, Recommendation 666 was actually Solana recommending action to Solana.

The following month, France — one of the 10 WEU nations — took over the EU’s six-month rotating presidency. Immediately Solana, along with the French EU presidency, began implementing Recommendation 666. The Assembly of the WEU became the oversight organ for the EU’s new military wing. The infamous Solana Decision soon followed. This decision removed from public view all documents that the Council (Solana) thought should be kept secret. The move was interpreted by some to be a coup.

The Solana Doctrine

In March 2003, without gaining UN approval, America launched the Iraqi war. America’s unilateral action once again shattered the EU’s illusion of having a common foreign policy. Some EU nations supported America’s Middle East venture; others strongly opposed it. The result was a fractured alliance with little hope of being mended. A few months later, the impossible happened.

In June 2003, Solana delivered his 10-page security doctrine to the EU heads at their summit in Greece. It was titled, A Secure Europe in a Better World. It had three basic parts. One: It called for establishing economic and political stability through the EU’s neighborhood. Two: It called for establishing a new international order. Three: It called for increasing the EU’s civil and military capabilities to better combat rogue states and weapons of mass destruction.

It was amazing to see the reaction to Solana’s new doctrine. It not only managed to pull back together the bickering EU states; the same month it led to a strategic treaty with Washington. Although many elements of the treaty were kept secret, it’s known to have established a joint effort between the EU and America to start fighting the international war against terror together.

The Israel Connection

As far as end-time prophecy is concerned, these events — as intriguing as they are — would be meaningless without a connection to God’s geo-strategic center of prophecy — the land of Israel. And, it turns out that they are — in a big way. In November 1995, Javier Solana successfully negotiated the Euro-Mediterranean Partnership for Peace (Euromed). The agreement was between the then 15 EU member states and 12 Mediterranean states — including Israel and the Palestinian Authority. In fact, some believe that it may have been Solana’s skill in negotiating this agreement that caused then Secretary of State Warren Christopher to recommend Solana as head of NATO to President Clinton.

The goal of the Euromed project is to create a region of peace and stability across Europe and the Mediterranean. That being the case, it’s no wonder looking at Euromed maps is like looking at maps of the old Roman Empire. The Mediterranean was once considered a Roman lake. Soon, if the Euromed project works, it will become the EU’s lake.

The Euromed, however, failed to deliver. So, Solana introduced his European Neighborhood Policy (ENP). The purpose of the ENP was to strengthen, or make strong, his faltering Euromed scheme. The ENP is a huge package of financial deals for each participating Euromed nation. These deals include Action Plans that are custom tailored for each participating nation. The idea is, by monitoring each nation’s progress to their Action Plan, the Euromed project can be strengthened and made to work.

The ENP was implemented under existing funding instruments. However, the existing instruments were not sufficient to meet the ENP’s goals. So, Solana was tasked with creating a new funding instrument — the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI). When the new funding instrument takes over, the ENP will become the “New” ENP. This will happen on January 1, 2007. What’s prophetically significant is that the ENPI is a seven-year funding instrument. In other words, the New ENP is designed to strengthen, or make strong, the 1995 Euromed for a period of seven years.

Solana’s New Seat

Now that the French and Dutch voters have rejected the EU’s new Constitution, the EU heads are facing a serious crisis. Existing treaties give the EU heads until 2009 to make certain necessary changes to the internal workings of the Union. The Constitution would have allowed these changes. However, without the Constitution in force, a way must be found to accomplish the changes within the legal framework of existing treaties. This has set the EU heads on a desperate, two-track approach — implement all the changes that are possible, while pushing ahead the Constitution.

Because the Euromed project is a primary concern, an important change needed is for the High Representative to have a seat within the EU’s Commission. Since the Commission is in charge of the EU’s purse strings, it’s naturally desirable to have Solana present there on January 1, 2007, in order to oversee and administer his New ENP. So, at the December European Council, the EU heads gave their approval to have Solana seated within the Commission — without the constitutional changes.

Solana’s Mandate

Also at the December European Council, the EU heads approved a new Middle East peace plan sponsored by Spain, Italy and France. As a result of the decision, Solana was given his necessary EU mandate to take the plan to the other three members of the Quartet — the US, the UN and Russia — and start a fresh effort to kick-start the stalled Middle East peace process. This led to January’s so-called “Madrid+15 Conference,” where closed door talks appeared to do exactly that — kick-start the peace process.

Some Loose Ends

For those with a similar understanding of end-time prophecy, the implication of these events are obvious — we may be entering the seven-year period known as Daniel’s 70th Week. However, for this to be true, a few more elements should also be in place. The prophecy tells us that the entire 70 weeks are for the Jewish people and their holy city Jerusalem (Daniel 9:24). So, it stands to reason that this should be true for the final week also. And, as we read earlier, the prophecy also tells us that in the middle of the week the covenant will be broken and the coming leader will stop the Temple sacrifices in Jerusalem. After this event happens, the leader and his 10-king alliance will begin a religious war against God’s elect.

War Against the Saints

On December 18 and 19, the UN’s new Alliance of Civilizations (AoC) was formally christened. The AoC’s stated goal is to avoid a clash of civilizations by building a bridge between the West and the Muslim world. While Kofi Annan was kicking off the new global peace project in New York, British Prime Minister Tony Blair was touring the Middle East pushing the AoC’s agenda. Blair was calling for moderate Arab states to enter into an alliance with the West in order to fight religious extremism and confront Iran. Friends, Blair’s choice of words was no coincidence.

You see, the AoC was proposed by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodr’guez Zapatero. The UN initiative was co-sponsored by Zapatero and Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Zapatero’s main concern is controlling immigration from the south and the completion of the EU’s Euromed. Erdogan, on the other hand, is concerned about the threat his and other moderate Muslim states face from the religious extremists. The AoC was created to provide solutions for both concerns. Not only will the AoC bring on board the moderate Arab world, it will serve as a vehicle from which they can mount a religious war against all who oppose.

The UN plans to use the Euromed and the ENP as the framework in which to begin implementing the AoC. If successful, the idea is to extend it globally. A World Parliament of eminent religious leaders is to follow. Also to soon follow is the appointment of an AoC High Representative — a person of renowned political and religious qualifications.

If it makes it through the UN process, then the AoC will become operational in September 2009, just in time to be fully functional in 2010 — the middle of the seven-year period.

An Uneasy Conclusion

Friends, it’s my belief the entire end-time picture may be before us. And, it’s my fear that, because of doctrinal differences — some very minor — many of God’s people will continue to be uninformed. There is much more information. But, in light of all that’s been presented, I don’t think more information should be necessary.

If we’re entering the 70th Week, then we should expect a gradual peace to begin dawning over the Middle East. We should see Israel being allowed to go back to her Temple sacrifices and many of our own religious leaders seduced by the AoC. Then, in 2010, it should all fall apart.

Stay tuned!


136 posted on 01/18/2009 9:21:25 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: o_zarkman44

AND TO HIGH GROUND WHEREVER in that region . . .

NEW MADRID FAULT etc.

See Stan Deo’s Hopi earth changes map.


137 posted on 01/18/2009 9:22:26 PM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gabz

I am going to finish tillering my garden this week, since I am on temporary layoff.I do plan to plant more this year,my youngest daughter has 2 years of college left and if we can get her educated without any debt my wife and I will be in pretty good shape come what may.Hang in there,springtime in the commonwealth is beautiful and hope springs eternal.


138 posted on 01/18/2009 9:23:58 PM PST by Jubal Madison
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To: Gabz; Dr.Zoidberg

This might help: http://www.amazon.com/Science-Dumpster-Diving-John-Hoffman/dp/1559500883

I have a copy myself. Helpful to some degree, but the art is largely learned by doing.


139 posted on 01/18/2009 9:24:45 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Actually, it all started back in Mayberry. Helen Crump was a traveler and Floyd, well, you know...)
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To: Gabz

will pray for you folks. My wife lost her job she has held for the last ten years, two months ago, no prospects. I have been looking for well over a year but God has not seen fit to open a door as of yet. By His grace, we also still have a roof over our head, oil in the tank and food in the pantry. Life goes on and God is in control.

Take care,
Jerry


140 posted on 01/18/2009 9:25:12 PM PST by Jmouse007 (tot)
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