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1 posted on 01/15/2009 6:04:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Satin is not an Atheist, Hitchens won't be one much longer either.
2 posted on 01/15/2009 6:15:10 PM PST by reefdiver (How do you keep the Conservative a Conservative, in Washington DC ?)
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I read Jastrow’s book years ago, and I never forgot that closing line.


3 posted on 01/15/2009 6:18:41 PM PST by redhead (Get ready to step into the Era of Hopey Changeness)
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Bumpage


4 posted on 01/15/2009 6:20:41 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries"

The second edition was published in 2000. I read it when it first came out - about 30 years ago. I chuckled at that quote and have remembered it all these years.

5 posted on 01/15/2009 6:28:36 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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More clearly defined than my own understanding, but the red shift and knowing that everything we can comprehend has a temporal beginning and ending satisfies the doubts of this Thomas.
7 posted on 01/15/2009 6:35:57 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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Offhand this sounds a lot like my own belief. Cool.

But I disagree in two particulars with that otherwise fine closing statement.

First, it's not a "bad dream" to find an answer to a difficult question. It's a good dream come true.

Second, the theologians have not been sitting there for centuries. They've been stumbling around in the general vicinity, arguing with each other (and often killing each other) over minuscule details of their misinterpretations of the nature of Creation. They have less clue than than scientists, who (when they finally confront the necessity of a Prime Mover) recognize that the PM must have certain characteristics, and propose one that matches them. The theologians anthropomorphize their gods based on themselves, and then fantasize that they each were created in God's image. None of them have any idea what God's image is.

My God created the Universe from nothing at the time of the Big Bang, and then has watched The Experiment unfold for billions of years, with infinite patience. I am exceedingly pleased and proud to participate in this Great Experiment.

Your mileage may vary, of course. ;-)

8 posted on 01/15/2009 6:42:24 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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The Big Bang is not consistent with the Biblical account of creation!


9 posted on 01/15/2009 6:52:02 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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Science as a proof of the existence of God ping.


14 posted on 01/15/2009 7:13:48 PM PST by Chinstrap61a
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Science may demonstrate a first cause but only faith can demonstrate in the mind of man that the first cause of science is one and the same as the eternal God of salvation, the God of religion whose love is so complete that He offers to share eternal life with his lowly and material creatures.


15 posted on 01/15/2009 7:21:59 PM PST by concentric circles
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bump


18 posted on 01/15/2009 7:28:46 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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It is not rocket science. But people want to make it hard. Belief in the big bang alone with no God is still faith. Faith without hope. Belief in God (with or without the big bang) is faith with hope.

It is cool that Scientist can come to terms that there is a creator. But they don't give me hope. God gives me hope. And I took a short cut to the highest peak by just taking up faith in Yeshua. Now, we can just kick back on the highest peak and watch the scientist come to terms with the truth.

19 posted on 01/15/2009 7:29:41 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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· intelligent because the creation event and the universe was precisely designed

· personal because it made a choice to convert a state of nothing into something (impersonal forces don’t make choices).

These two are especially weak. A precisely designed big bang? What precisely does that mean?

"Personal because it made a choice ..." That something happened doesn't imply there was any choice to its happening.

I always find comparisons between the Creation in Genesis and the Big Bang to be interesting, but this is just drawing lines and inferences where they don't exist, à la Schiaparelli.

21 posted on 01/15/2009 7:39:17 PM PST by NicknamedBob (If you translate Pi into base 43 notation, it will contain this statement.)
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timeless because it created time

This is an idea that transcends the Genesis account, it seems to me. The first verse, "In the beginning God created ..." indicates that the flow of time was a precondition of God's activities. It certainly fails to indicate that God created time, or set it in motion, or anything of that sort.

I have stated before that relativistic cosmology is more comprehensive in this regard than is Genesis, even if this is a more or less subtle distinction.

39 posted on 01/16/2009 1:00:43 AM PST by dr_lew
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Please see #29
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

42 posted on 01/16/2009 8:45:30 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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Here is the rough part...

The Lord commands us to bring the one who sins before his brother, such that he (the sinner), will be turned away from sin. If that doesn't work, bring him before an elder, if that doesn't work, bring him before the priest or rabbi. If that doesn't work, you are absolved from your responsibility.

Here's where I have trouble. I could care less what atheists think, say or do. They will meet their maker, and go to Gehenna. And I, like Abraham and Lazarus, will watch from the other side. Unable to give water to their soul.

I tried Lord, this post is evidence...may I be judged with mercy.

5.56mm

63 posted on 01/16/2009 5:23:28 PM PST by M Kehoe
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The theory that God created the Big Bang, and 3.5 bajillion years later we have earth, is a joke.

IF you believe in God, in an all-powerful, all-knowing, Creator, then the Big-Bang-Evolution Theory is completely incompatible with what we see and observe now.


80 posted on 01/17/2009 8:28:05 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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88 posted on 01/17/2009 1:30:32 PM PST by timestax ( CNNLIES)
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