Posted on 01/15/2009 10:32:08 AM PST by Publius
Over the past few weeks, Ayn Rands classic, Atlas Shrugged, has been mentioned in articles in the Wall Street Journal and among conservative and libertarian bloggers. Two questions are being debated by those who have read the book.
Besides those who have read the book, there are FReepers with little awareness of Rand and her work. Some are turned off by the length of her works of fiction. Some of a more religious bent have problems with Rands atheism. Some wish she had left the few sex scenes out. Some just think shes a bad writer.
I would like to propose our first FReeper Book Club effort: A chance for a group of us to read Atlas Shrugged together, both old hands and newcomers to the book. Once this effort settles in, I or others might want to start FReeper Book Clubs dedicated to Forrest McDonalds States Rights and the Union, or Alexis de Toquevilles Democracy in America. I like the idea of an interleaved reading of both the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers together in strict chronological order so as to see the point and counterpoint of the debate over the Constitution. Ive picked Atlas Shrugged for starters because its a hot topic and its fun. Once we get into the habit of reading and discussing together, we can tackle the heavier stuff.
The book is divided into 30 chapters. I propose to post a thread on one chapter every Saturday, which would make 30 threads over a period of 30 weeks to cover the entire book. Ill provide a short synopsis of the chapter, expound on certain themes and raise questions to stimulate debate. If FReeper Book Club members feel that a faster pace is better, we can settle on one.
Atlas and Me
I came to Atlas Shrugged via the usual method: I read it in high school. The bully who sat behind me and enjoyed pounding me at the Catholic prep school I attended in New Jersey exposed me to the book by hitting me on the head with it. Its weight made an immediate impression. Our sophomore English teacher was not teaching the book, and he suggested that the bully pound me with something of lesser weight, such as The Red Badge of Courage.
The English teacher panned the book, stating that it was the kind of book an immature person might enjoy, but a mature adult with experience of the world could not take Rand seriously. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were not realistic.
The vice principal, a priest from Brooklyn who believed in FDR, JFK, LBJ and God, in that order, excoriated Rand for writing an anti-Christian epic and broadly hinted that the bully was sinning by reading it. Better to hit someone over the head with it. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were evil.
I read the book anyway.
The Strange World of Atlas Shrugged
Rands book was written between 1945 and 1956 and published in 1957. During the postwar years, America saw massive changes in society and technology, and the shape of world politics shifted mightily. None of this is reflected in the book. Some of the differences between Rands world and our own are rather egregious and require comment.
The easiest way to explain these anomalies is to say that Rand lacked the scientific background to project technological change and simply dealt with the technology of her era while projecting political change. But then how did she project the use of ultrasound for Project Xylophone and the holographic projection that protected Galts Gulch? There is a strange mix of the old and the new. What marks a total departure from our reality is the change in politics and in the American character.
One can accept all this as artists license, but I tried to come up with my own logic for how Rands America came to this pass.
Alternative History: Trying the Harry Turtledove Approach
If one wanted to create an alternative history for the universe of Atlas Shrugged, one could start with the 4-way election of 1948. In this alternative history, Henry Wallace won the race, defeating Truman, Dewey and Thurmond, establishing a Labor government on the British model in America. The warning voices of Martin Dies, John Bricker, Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon were stilled.
Wallace wanted no cold war with the Soviets, and with the quick withdrawal of American forces from Europe, Germany was reunified under a communist Peoples State government. The Soviet Union, now the Peoples State of Russia, never geared up for war, settling instead for passive mediocrity. Britain never rejected Clement Atlee, and with the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of a written constitution on the German model, the Peoples State of England replaced the United Kingdom. In France, De Gaulle never came to power, and the Fourth Republic morphed into the Peoples State of France.
In the Western Hemisphere, figures similar to Fidel Castro established the Peoples State of Mexico and other communist countries in Central and South America.
America did not go all the way to Peoples State status, however, although intellectuals worked hard toward that end. Instead, America became a gray, downtrodden country accepting an atmosphere of sad decay, much like England today. Americans accepted that things were hopeless and that nothing could be done. Feelings replaced facts. The very nature of reality was questioned.
It took only a decade of economic stasis, misguided politics and cultural pollution to create the hell described by Rand.
Some Thoughts on the Movie
A scriptwriter would have a hard time shrinking the story to fill a two or three hour time slot even if all the long speeches were eliminated. A miniseries for television would have served the book better.
This effort would be a production designers dream. I would point to John Vallone, who handled production design for Walter Hills 1984 classic, Streets of Fire. Vallone created a fascinating mix of Fifties and Eighties that had no parallel in real time. Something in the same vein would make the movie memorable, rather than setting it in the present or a future that looks like the present.
Lets Get Started
I will build a ping list for our FReeper Book Club, so sign in on this thread. Ill use the keyword freeperbookclub to mark these threads as they are posted.
Welcome to our first effort. Prepare to read and discuss.
Sign me up. I read Atlas Shrugged at age 16, but concede that my admiration for Rand took a considerable hit once I read of her relationship with Nathaniel Branden:
http://www.nathanielbranden.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=29
Rand was brilliant as a philosopher, but terribly flawed as an individual, as her tumultuous relationship with NB showed. On a related point, we certainly know much more than we did in the 1950’s about the health consequences of smoking, but even during a period of being an unrepentant admirer of Rand and her views, I always thought it incongruous that someone who would offer up such an uncompromising defense of selfishness (and that the standard of value for ethics should be whatever promotes an individual’s life) would at the same time be such a fierce advocate of smoking. How could anyone who purportedly treasured life the way she did rationally conclude that smoking was a defensible habit? The reality is that close to 90% of smokers wish they could stop (and my guess is that Rand herself—had she been willing to admit to even a single weakness to herself or her readers—shared this view), but lack the self-discipline to do so. This is hardly the model of rational self-interest that permeates her writing.
That said, to me Rand was a terrific introduction to libertarian thinking and points of view and a very articulate defender of individual freedom (and scathing critic of big government both from a consequentialist perspective as well as a more pure philosophical perspective). Some of her characters were cartoonish, but on balance I felt that after reading Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead (as well as later non-fiction writings on Objectivism) I got a better perspective of what makes proponents of big government tick and how they view the world. I look forward to the discussion.
“it’s a chick flick” — that’s absurd.
Are you in, though?
So are you in?
Yeah, I’m in.
“even tho’ Rand had a lot of say in it’s filming, she was still unhappy - and didn’t want Hollywood to get it’s hands on “Atlas””
I’m not sure how correct you are. FWIW, IMDB says:
# According to Variety The Godfather (1972) producer Albert S. Ruddy spent years trying to bring Atlas Shrugged (2009) to the big screen, attracting the interest of Clint Eastwood, Robert Redford and Faye Dunaway along the way.
# In the late 1970s, NBC had plans to bring Atlas Shrugged (2009) to television as one of the multi-part mini-series popular at the time. Ayn Rand wanted Farrah Fawcett to star, but the project never materialized.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480239/trivia
I had heard Angelina Jolie was involved in this project, but until this thread, had never read that it was to be a mini-series. FWIW, mini-series plans appear abandoned (that’s the inference I draw from IMDB) and if movie ever appears, it’s now on tap for 2011 (nearly 50 years after the book first was published).
I have the very large paperback from Plume Books, which is a subsidiary of Penguin Putnam. It works for my tired old eyes.
I agree. We’ve gotten to the point where he’s agreed to simply say if a guy had written the book it would only be 200 pages long. For my part, I’ve agreed to only give him “the look” instead of going complete redhead on him when he mentions this.
Would that “Hoffer” in your handle be Eric Hoffer by any chance?
Have you ever read Taylor Caldwell's The Devil's Advocate?
Are you in?
Oh, nicely done. Yes, it is. I agonized when trying to pick a FReeper name. It’s part of the reason I lurked for 3 years before signing up. I finally picked two of my favorite authors and used that.
If I can put in a request for the book club, I’d like to suggest we read Hoffer’s The True Believer.
“Forbidden category: Weapons.” That’s pretty funny! For a while firefox was blocking my site, saying it was a phishing site or something, which is asinine, since my site is a non-interactive “read only” kind of a place. All you can do is click from page to page, there is no place on my site to give any kind of information.
I am number two on a waiting list for this book at my local library and they have 15 copies of the book, so I should have it soon and will play catch up if need be so I can participate in the discussion.
While I am waiting for the copy of “Atlas Shrugged” I am reading a book published shortly after WWII, titled, “Behind the Curtain” by John Gunther. I have just started the book, but it is interesting to read about the communist influence in Europe.
One interesting point made in the book thus far, was that the communists wanted there to be large populations of poor people, as that made it easier for them to institute communist and socialist policies to take care of the people.
I’ve had this book next to my bed for 2 years but i never seem to find time to start it! Sign me up and thanks for the kick in the pants!
I thought I had read every one of her books, the title is vaguely familiar, but I can’t remember the story line. I spent many hours of convalescence time with my friends, Pearl Buck, Taylor Caldwell, and Costain. From my bed and wheel chair, I traveled through China, Spain, the Middle East, then Africa. I cried my way through Buck and little Peony, teared up with Caldwell and was the frisky heroine of many a sword fight and the faithful companion of “The Dear and Glorious Physician”, even though I was flat on my back or butt as the case may be. My dear friends took me everywhere they went.
Add me to the list, please.
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