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Our First FReeper Book Club: Atlas Shrugged
A Publius Essay | 15 January 2009 | Publius

Posted on 01/15/2009 10:32:08 AM PST by Publius

Over the past few weeks, Ayn Rand’s classic, Atlas Shrugged, has been mentioned in articles in the Wall Street Journal and among conservative and libertarian bloggers. Two questions are being debated by those who have read the book.

  1. Are we living in a time line that follows the book?
  2. What chapter are we in?

Besides those who have read the book, there are FReepers with little awareness of Rand and her work. Some are turned off by the length of her works of fiction. Some of a more religious bent have problems with Rand’s atheism. Some wish she had left the few sex scenes out. Some just think she’s a bad writer.

I would like to propose our first FReeper Book Club effort: A chance for a group of us to read Atlas Shrugged together, both old hands and newcomers to the book. Once this effort settles in, I or others might want to start FReeper Book Clubs dedicated to Forrest McDonald’s States’ Rights and the Union, or Alexis de Toqueville’s Democracy in America. I like the idea of an interleaved reading of both the “Federalist Papers” and “Anti-Federalist Papers” together in strict chronological order so as to see the point and counterpoint of the debate over the Constitution. I’ve picked Atlas Shrugged for starters because it’s a hot topic and it’s fun. Once we get into the habit of reading and discussing together, we can tackle the heavier stuff.

The book is divided into 30 chapters. I propose to post a thread on one chapter every Saturday, which would make 30 threads over a period of 30 weeks to cover the entire book. I’ll provide a short synopsis of the chapter, expound on certain themes and raise questions to stimulate debate. If FReeper Book Club members feel that a faster pace is better, we can settle on one.

Atlas and Me

I came to Atlas Shrugged via the usual method: I read it in high school. The bully who sat behind me and enjoyed pounding me at the Catholic prep school I attended in New Jersey exposed me to the book by hitting me on the head with it. Its weight made an immediate impression. Our sophomore English teacher was not teaching the book, and he suggested that the bully pound me with something of lesser weight, such as The Red Badge of Courage.

The English teacher panned the book, stating that it was the kind of book an immature person might enjoy, but a mature adult with experience of the world could not take Rand seriously. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were not realistic.

The vice principal, a priest from Brooklyn who believed in FDR, JFK, LBJ and God, in that order, excoriated Rand for writing “an anti-Christian epic” and broadly hinted that the bully was sinning by reading it. Better to hit someone over the head with it. The solutions proposed by Atlas Shrugged were evil.

I read the book anyway.

The Strange World of Atlas Shrugged

Rand’s book was written between 1945 and 1956 and published in 1957. During the postwar years, America saw massive changes in society and technology, and the shape of world politics shifted mightily. None of this is reflected in the book. Some of the differences between Rand’s world and our own are rather egregious and require comment.

The easiest way to explain these anomalies is to say that Rand lacked the scientific background to project technological change and simply dealt with the technology of her era while projecting political change. But then how did she project the use of ultrasound for Project Xylophone and the holographic projection that protected Galt’s Gulch? There is a strange mix of the old and the new. What marks a total departure from our reality is the change in politics and in the American character.

One can accept all this as artist’s license, but I tried to come up with my own logic for how Rand’s America came to this pass.

Alternative History: Trying the Harry Turtledove Approach

If one wanted to create an alternative history for the universe of Atlas Shrugged, one could start with the 4-way election of 1948. In this alternative history, Henry Wallace won the race, defeating Truman, Dewey and Thurmond, establishing a Labor government on the British model in America. The warning voices of Martin Dies, John Bricker, Joseph McCarthy and Richard Nixon were stilled.

Wallace wanted no cold war with the Soviets, and with the quick withdrawal of American forces from Europe, Germany was reunified under a communist People’s State government. The Soviet Union, now the People’s State of Russia, never geared up for war, settling instead for passive mediocrity. Britain never rejected Clement Atlee, and with the abolition of the monarchy and the establishment of a written constitution on the German model, the People’s State of England replaced the United Kingdom. In France, De Gaulle never came to power, and the Fourth Republic morphed into the People’s State of France.

In the Western Hemisphere, figures similar to Fidel Castro established the People’s State of Mexico and other communist countries in Central and South America.

America did not go all the way to People’s State status, however, although intellectuals worked hard toward that end. Instead, America became a gray, downtrodden country accepting an atmosphere of sad decay, much like England today. Americans accepted that things were hopeless and that nothing could be done. Feelings replaced facts. The very nature of reality was questioned.

It took only a decade of economic stasis, misguided politics and cultural pollution to create the hell described by Rand.

Some Thoughts on the Movie

A scriptwriter would have a hard time shrinking the story to fill a two or three hour time slot even if all the long speeches were eliminated. A miniseries for television would have served the book better.

This effort would be a production designer’s dream. I would point to John Vallone, who handled production design for Walter Hill’s 1984 classic, “Streets of Fire”. Vallone created a fascinating mix of Fifties and Eighties that had no parallel in real time. Something in the same vein would make the movie memorable, rather than setting it in the present or a future that looks like the present.

Let’s Get Started

I will build a ping list for our FReeper Book Club, so sign in on this thread. I’ll use the keyword “freeperbookclub” to mark these threads as they are posted.

Welcome to our first effort. Prepare to read and discuss.


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To: maine-iac7
with Angelina as Dagney

Ugh. Of all people...for one, I can't stand Angelina, and she's just not how I pictured Dagny. There have been many debates on FR before, on which actor should be cast for each role in the book.

141 posted on 01/15/2009 12:12:03 PM PST by Lou L
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To: Publius
I would like to find a copy that does not strain my reading glasses. My wife and I were looking for a book to read. We went thru all of George Orwell and it was really quite enertaining. She likes to read the books out loud as we go for long car rides. This way we can talk about the book and are away from distractions like the Net and TV.
142 posted on 01/15/2009 12:12:23 PM PST by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: maine-iac7
I had Dagny Taggart with a brown shoulder-length page-boy — ala a young Demi Moore (if I were to type-cast for looks) or Kathryn Hepburn. I had Frisco as Antonio Bandaras. I had John Galt as a type of Brad Pitt with slightly more gravitas, and last, but not least Reardon as a younger Spencer Tracy with Meryl Streep as his faithful secretary. Because I was a Theatrical Arts major for a while (very short while), I used to dream of making it into a movie. It was all I could think of through my 20s. Ah, well... I DID dream big right up to the point where I got married and from there it was rather labor intensive. ;-)
143 posted on 01/15/2009 12:14:07 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Publius

Please add me to the ping list. Atlas Shrugged is one of my favorite books. I’ve been saying for the last couple of years that we’re living it.


144 posted on 01/15/2009 12:15:38 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Lou L

I remember Rand saying that having a child is like being in slavery for 18 years. She was a gifted writer, but I’m glad she wasn’t my mom.


145 posted on 01/15/2009 12:16:50 PM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: Publius
But of course


146 posted on 01/15/2009 12:17:03 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Publius

Please sign me up. After all the discussions on FR I bought a copy around Christmas, but haven’t had time to begin reading it. Someone donated about 1/2 case of brand new copies to our group(Friends of the Library)which we sold in our book sale.

A few years back we had another copy of Atlas Shrugged donated. It turned out to be a first edition, first printing of the book signed by the author. We contacted an auction house in CA which agreed to auction it off. They figured it might sell for about $1200. It sold for $6000! Our group made over $5000 on it. Someone obviously placed great value on it. I’m anxious to start reading it.


147 posted on 01/15/2009 12:18:55 PM PST by Marmolade
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To: Publius; Scotswife; colorcountry; Earthdweller; Dr.Zoidberg; woollyone; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Atlas Shrugged PING!


148 posted on 01/15/2009 12:20:31 PM PST by jellybean (Who is John Galt? ~ Bookmark altfreerepublic.freeforums.org for when FR is down)
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To: Mark was here
Good luck with that. I need the strongest pair of readers now when I read it. Strangely, it sits in my bedroom armoire, next to my five versions of the Holy Bible, three prayer books-one in German, my French to English Dictionary, the Liturgy of the Hours, AND my T.V.

Not that it would appeal to many who are grounded in logic, but the other novel I re-read from time to time is Taylor Caldwell's, “The Listener”. A wonderful gift on my 17th birthday from my mother. Books were always given in my family at Christmas, together with slippers, robes and a good nightgown (in case you had to go to the hospital) — ;-)

149 posted on 01/15/2009 12:20:56 PM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Publius
Check out the book Doomonyou is reading!

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150 posted on 01/15/2009 12:21:41 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Taffini
I done did rread this one about 3 years agoo, it be long, but the men be hot.

I second that. In fact, hubby swears it's a chick flick in book form, but I think he does that to irritate me, because he knows I loathe chick flicks.

151 posted on 01/15/2009 12:23:03 PM PST by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: Publius
Signing in. Please add me.

This is great timing. I just bought Atlas Shrugged yesterday.

152 posted on 01/15/2009 12:24:57 PM PST by SaveTheChief (Chief Illiniwek (1926-2007))
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To: Publius
Go ahead and sign me up ! I'm looking forward to the discussions.

Nam Vet

153 posted on 01/15/2009 12:25:02 PM PST by Nam Vet (This space for rent............Hard currency only)
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To: Publius

Count me in. I Read it again recently and for some reason made notes in the margins.

My son (12y/o) is reading it now. He is nearly finished with it but I think he might enjoy the discussion here. I’ll tune him in to this thread. He probably does not get much of the historical references and context, he’d probably get a better understanding from a discussion like this.


154 posted on 01/15/2009 12:27:07 PM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: Publius

put me on the list...I love the book, and the 12 hour abridged audio book is pretty true for those freepers that commute or travel a lot...


155 posted on 01/15/2009 12:27:08 PM PST by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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To: Constitutions Grandchild

I always cast my books while reading them. I can then play it out inside my mind.

I too picked Antonio Bandaras as Frisco.
Russell Crowe as John Galt
Mel Gibson as Rearden
Wayne Knight as Eddie
Me as Dagny, of course...
Bette Davis would have made a great Dagny
Rutger Hauer as Ragnar Danneskjöld


156 posted on 01/15/2009 12:27:13 PM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: Travis McGee
Hey! I got your post card for Vol. 3, I'll get the check in the mail soon!

Here is the message I get when I click on your site:

This site is blocked by the SonicWALL CFS authorized by XXXXXX mgmt.

URL: http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/index.htm

Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Weapons"

LOL!

157 posted on 01/15/2009 12:27:35 PM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: FreeKeys

might be of interest to the Rand ping list!


158 posted on 01/15/2009 12:29:02 PM PST by RobFromGa (It's the Spending, Stupid! (not the method of collection))
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To: Publius

count me in.


159 posted on 01/15/2009 12:30:16 PM PST by MtnClimber (You don't have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows,)
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To: Hoffer Rand

>>>I loathe chick flicks.

Glad I am not alone. They are like throwing away 2 hours of your life not to mention the money. HATE THEM.


160 posted on 01/15/2009 12:32:01 PM PST by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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