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Intelligence Court Rules Wiretapping Power Legal
The New York Times ^ | January 15, 2009 | Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 01/15/2009 9:51:26 AM PST by fremont_steve

WASHINGTON — A federal intelligence court, in a rare public opinion, is expected to issue a major ruling validating the power of the president and Congress to wiretap international phone calls and intercept e-mail messages without a court order, even when Americans’ private communications may be involved, according to a person with knowledge of the opinion.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; calea; carnivore; clipper; dhs; echelon; fisa; isp; legal; privacy; skype; wiretapping; wiretaps; wot
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So much for the left whining about Bush's wire taps ;-)
1 posted on 01/15/2009 9:51:26 AM PST by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

Libtard heads exploding across the land. Errhead Amerika (if it still exists) will have material for another month. WAR CRIMES MORE IMPORANT THAN EVER FOR BU$HITLER AND CHENEY. /sarc


2 posted on 01/15/2009 9:53:41 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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Its not just the left... I’m not thrilled about wiretapping citizens without warrants except in some extraordinary time sensitive situations.

Trusting President Bush43 is not the same as saying no future administration will abuse this.


3 posted on 01/15/2009 9:55:50 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: fremont_steve

Just another item to be quickly forgotten now that the self-anointed 0ne is in.
So never mind.....


4 posted on 01/15/2009 9:56:07 AM PST by romanesq
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To: Cheerio; All

are you kidding me????

this is exactly what they want- now they can jusify whenever their messiah spies on people...they will never admit what GWB did was right- they will only justify the action when hussien uses this power because the courts said it is okay...

doesn’t the timing of this ruling raise some suspicion????


5 posted on 01/15/2009 9:58:37 AM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: gondramB
Trusting President Bush43 is not the same as saying no future administration will abuse this.

Big bump to that! I have been saying the same thing for years.

6 posted on 01/15/2009 9:58:43 AM PST by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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To: fremont_steve

All hail the glorious 4-16 years of Obama-Clinton wiretapping powers. Support the president in times of war!! (lol)


7 posted on 01/15/2009 10:00:16 AM PST by M203M4 (Bill Kristol: Piltdown conservative)
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Its not just the left... I’m not thrilled about wiretapping citizens without warrants except in some extraordinary time sensitive situations.

Without listening to the wiretaps, how would you know you have an extraordinary time sensitive situation on your hands?

8 posted on 01/15/2009 10:04:01 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: fremont_steve

The Left wants this power for themselves, not for a Republican administration.

Everything will be okay now. Move along.

The timing is perfect...right before the coronation.


9 posted on 01/15/2009 10:06:41 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Mainstream Media, the Left is Nothing.)
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>>Its not just the left... I’m not thrilled about wiretapping citizens without warrants except in some extraordinary time sensitive situations.


Without listening to the wiretaps, how would you know you have an extraordinary time sensitive situation on your hands? <<

If you use that logic, you can justify any search - why warrants to search homes or persons or even cavities - you might find something time sensitive?


10 posted on 01/15/2009 10:07:47 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: gondramB

So don’t call overseas ... not a problem.


11 posted on 01/15/2009 10:09:21 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: gondramB
Trusting President Bush43 is not the same as saying no future administration will abuse this.

And somehow the law prevented Buba Klintoon and algore from "wiretapping" American citizens for purely political purposes? Anyone remember Echelon or Clipper?
12 posted on 01/15/2009 10:09:53 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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>>And somehow the law prevented Buba Klintoon and algore from “wiretapping” American citizens for purely political purposes? Anyone remember Echelon or Clipper?<<

Are you saying that previous government wrong doing makes it so we should relax the law and trust government more?


13 posted on 01/15/2009 10:11:37 AM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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I was responding to your logic which was, and is, faulty.

Look, these things have already been hashed out. Time of war, communications involving enemy parties outside the U. S., intelligence officers monitor communications and discover terrorism plans that require immediate action. Waiting for a warrant would delay any action beyond the time of the planned terrorism.

Yet, your opinion was that we shouldn’t be allowed to wiretap UNLESS we have an extraordinary time sensitive situation, which means, the situation cannot wait for a warrant.

But if we’re not allowed to wiretap without a warrant, then we would not know about those time sensitive plans until AFTER the terrorists have put the plans into action.

With that in mind, just how does your plan work to protect us? Or are you only concerned with picking up the bodies later?


14 posted on 01/15/2009 10:17:37 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: fremont_steve
Intelligence Court Rules Wiretapping Power Legal
Imagine that. What perfect timing.
15 posted on 01/15/2009 10:18:13 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: savedbygrace

I think the poster was refering to the time it takes to get the wiretap, not the time-sensitivity of the info obtained.


16 posted on 01/15/2009 10:29:13 AM PST by maclay (SEEKING: Global Warming Alarmist for Martian Terraform Press Secretary)
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To: gondramB
Not saying that at all. I fully support the CIC doing whatever it takes to fight terrorism. I personally do not believe that warrantless tracking and capture of electronic communications and data parameters is a violation of the CIC and 4th Amendment. Seem the FISA court agrees.

All I am saying is no matter what Congress passes as FISA laws, or the FISA court rules, the RATs evesdrop no matter. BUT THE RATS lefty liberals are the ones jumping on Bush for trying to keep us safe from terrorist attacks. Huh?
17 posted on 01/15/2009 10:30:22 AM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: fremont_steve

The more Obama changes things the more they remain the same Its a terrible shame he had to make all this stuff up against Bush and try to divide the country in order to vote for him and now when he is President he will do nothing different, he may just Communicate it better.

So they aren’t ever going to say Bush was right.... they will triangualte the issue to try and appease all sides and his base will never hold him accountable and even if they try to the media will shut them down.


18 posted on 01/15/2009 10:30:59 AM PST by tomnbeverly ("In the hour of darkness and peril and need, the people will waken to listen and hear.....)
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To: maclay

A distinction without a difference.

If you can’t do the wiretap w/o a warrant, then you won’t even know a warrant is needed . . . until you see the terrorism happening on CNN Breaking News.


19 posted on 01/15/2009 10:34:53 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: lewislynn

It’s called “spying” in Wartime. “No hands tied”...


20 posted on 01/15/2009 10:38:32 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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