Posted on 01/09/2009 8:28:39 PM PST by devere
My take on talk radio is that they are not receptive to hearing about any conspiracy theories that they did not discover themselves.
If he had no U.S. passport and it is common knowledge that Obama traveled abroad (such as from his own writings or statements), the chief justice cannot accept that recent passport as proof of eligibility. Maybe there are facts that I am missing.
Too many politicians and unelected government officials today refuse to be accountable to the people. Look at Paulson, who refuses to divulge how he is spending the bailout money. It is long past time for the American people to turn off “American Idol” and draw a line.
Exactly the very fact that this certification/BC/hiding the candidate BS is not an ongoing discussion in conservative circles is more than troubling.
So is Israel, lot of bad stuff happens there too
The very fact that you are not doing steady interviews on Hannity,Rush, Levin,and especially Laura and Boortz(more lawyers) is an extremely sad commentary on all of them. And if you are inferring that most all have huge egos you are correct.
Once again many of us can never thank you enough for your efforts.
Too many people care more about maintaining their power and positions to take a risk. They don’t have to talk about this issue as if they are foaming at the mouth, for God’s sake! There are many important angles to this story, such as the fact that no one is even vetting candidates.
Even a ? USA Today poll showed that half or more considered this an important issue. These are remarkable results, given that it has received no coverage or public discussion!
What really happens when conservatives are afraid to engage with the other side is that they look weak and unsure of their positions. This leads many in the public to conclude that they are, in fact, wrong. After all, Reagan won even Massachusetts, likely because of his confidence and clear articulation of his beliefs, not in spite of this.
We're past that point. He has released a couple of images of certificates. Hawaii has confirmed that they have a birth certificate for 0bama. The problem is all of these certificates are probably different things. The suspicion of fraud hangs heavy in the air. There can be no possible objection to allowing anyone who wants to, to obtain a certified copy of the original birth certificate unless a VERY significant fraud has been perpetrated upon the real citizens of the United States.
ML/NJ
I think you meant crackhead.
ML/NJ
Couldn’t agree more. I guess the big question is that this has to bee much more than a coincidence that 99% of them are silent. Gotta wonder what is going on.
You assume that he didn't have a passport before he was elected Senator, which may or may not be true. As a Senator I believe he would have been issued a Service Passport for official travel. He gets that because of his office. As president he gets the Diplomatic passport.
I am not “assuming” anything, Non-Sequitur. See my previous post. Why does it bother you so much when people discuss this issue in an intellectually honest way?
I want to commend your link to the article by Viera. He is very good and when I did another case for a renegade conservative Democrat after Al Hopfmann’s he gave good advice. It was a case about a conservative Hungarian-American from New Jersey, staunchly anti-communist who wanted to be on the ballot for a House seat and was kept off by party bosses.
But note that he is criticizing the way that courts routinely hide behind “lack of standing” and overuse as it is being applied here. What I am pointing out is that individuals like Alan Keyes have standing even as the concept is being applied because minor party candidates today are in a position comparable to that of the Republican Party when it arose and displaced the Whigs because the Whigs equivocated on slavery.
What if he obtained a passport by submitting the document that has been attacked and questioned?
It is easy to envision how such a document would not have been questioned in his situation.
Very good. You’ve shown that he could have obtained a passport in a number of ways that would leave the controversy unresolved.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the document presented by Obama and his camp is not what has been termed the “long form” or actual birth certificate.
The question of alteration of the document is not the same as the question of there being two documents, of which only one, whose confidentiality is protected by law absent authorization from the person whose actual birth certificate it is.
You believe that on faith, obviously, since there does not seem to be actual proof that has been revealed anywhere.
How touching.
Thank you very much, Rodguy. I appreciate it. I strongly believe that there is a stigma attached to all conspiracy theories, be they right or wrong, because so many of them turned out to be false.
I think that it is time to look back at "RatherGate," the last true conspiracy to make the rounds on both the blogsphere and the news circuit. Here's an informative excerpt from a post by Libloather on 9/23/04 (story from Livingston Parish News by Kathleen Parker):
'Rathergate' marks big victory for bloggers (FR mentioned)
There are parallels here between how FR was the first to blow the whistle on Rather then, and on Obama now. Back then, it was "Memogate." Today it is "Certifigate." Just as FR had ripped the Rather memo to smithereens, so, too, did I and FR blow the lid off the bogus Certification of Live Birth. Here's an excerpt from Kathleen Parker's article:
The CBS mess variously known as "Forgerygate" or "Rathergate" is by any other name a seminal moment in the blogosphere that holds promise not only for revolutionizing journalism, but also perhaps for problem-solving on a global scale.
Bloggers questioned the authenticity of documents CBS News presented allegedly proving that President George W. Bush received preferential treatment in the National Guard.
Cumulative evidence produced primarily by the blogosphere suggests that the documents are forgeries and that Rather and CBS were duped in a political hoax.
However, this is where the similarities end given the night and day differences between George Bush, chastised at every turn by the MSM, and Barack Obama, the media darling who's stuff smells like roses to them.
But, so, too, did the liberal Left blogsphere, and it's in the blogsphere where the major differences with Certifigate lie.
It is hard to swallow the fact that both liberal and conservative, fact-checking blogs refuse to buy into the COLB forgery story.
In her article, Kathleen Parker mentioned "Little Green Footballs" as one of the major "conservative" blogs to carry the RatherGate story:
The implication that bloggers are slacker dust bunnies has delighted bloggers, the best of whom are lawyers, professors, scientists, renegade journalists and techies of various sorts, such as the brothers Johnson (Charles and Michael) at "Little Green Footballs," whose years of experience in state-of-the-art graphics and Web design at the "pixel level" enabled them to quickly duplicate the CBS memos and demonstrate their likely origin on a very modern computer.
Well, FReepers know that it was FR, not LGF, who first rooted out the truth in the Rather memo, and although they do a good job of countering the anti-Israel and anti-Semitic bias of the press, LGF totally blew the bogus birth certificate story. Worse than that, they will delete any comments discussing it.
So, what does it mean when a major blog like LGF who believed in RatherGate refuses to consider the facts in CertifiGate?
You tell me because I am at a loss for words. A link to one of their stories, however, will explain their position on the matter better than I can:
Anyone with real experience in Washington over years knows full well that government bureaucracy, and DOJ is no exception, can miss things, make enormous mistakes and simply screw up. Look at what happened leading up to 9-11. In the immortal words of Norbert Wiener in “Cybernetics,” government is less than the sum of all its parts.
Very interesting compilation.
One wonders why there are not more references to Gary Kreep’s work with the network of individuals and multiple cases he spoke of when interviewed by Patriot Gal.
Well the fix was in on trade with communist China past the point where it was beneficial and we are now in big trouble.
And the fix was in on trashing the patent office and the small inventor-entrepreneur despite initial resistance and stout work by Ileana Ross-Lehtinen and a handful of others.
There are many other instances where the Republicans have failed to effectively oppose.
Political parties are not in the Constitution yet present major party has effectively stopped the steady creep of a “penumbra” to put them there as engineered by Kennedy and Dukakis.
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