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Would You Have Been A Nazi? - A new test of Milgram's obedience experiment asks if it can...
Reason ^ | January 6, 2009 | Ronald Bailey

Posted on 01/06/2009 8:06:43 PM PST by neverdem

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To: neverdem
Hanged by the neck until dead works for me.

/johnny

21 posted on 01/06/2009 9:03:34 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: neverdem

ping for future reference


22 posted on 01/06/2009 9:37:28 PM PST by jim-x (God help America survive its enemies within.)
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To: neverdem
... our institutions of freedom have maintained and expanded the norms that limit the powers wielded by authorities.

For example, a free press is able to criticize practices like ...

Just one arena where rot has set in.

23 posted on 01/06/2009 9:45:48 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: potlatch

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A lot of Happy HS!

NAZIS & Commies were/are extreme Socialist lefties!

The lefties and media tag Nazis and Commies as “Far Right Wing” ???

mr. balacka Hussein creepy (Jr.) and his thugs are already slipping in the dictatorship and Socialism with Pelosi & Ride already - with “plans” for Health Control (like a new FED) and “volunteers” - in “barracks” and a “civilian federal police force” of uniformed goons and thugs and ACORN and Fruit-Loops of Fairykann


24 posted on 01/06/2009 9:48:00 PM PST by devolve ( ____"hussein the creepy" -- Evan Thomas - Nudesweek ____)
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To: neverdem

I reject and resent this whole thread. I’ll have you know I lost family in the Holocaust. Poor uncle Fritz fell out of a guard tower.

;)


25 posted on 01/06/2009 10:10:08 PM PST by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: neverdem
However, the arc of American history has been toward correcting old evils and the commissioning of fewer atrocities over time.

Nonsense, we've killed 50 million unborn since 1973. We have a man who stands in front of cheering crowds declaring that unwanted children need to be disposed of (even if they've already been born), and a majority of Americans elect him to be our leader. I'm sure a lot of Obama supporters seem just as nice as Wolfgang and Gretchen, and just like the national socialists they don't think of themselves as being evil.

26 posted on 01/06/2009 10:18:08 PM PST by eclecticEel (In short, I want Obama given the same respect and deference that Democrats have given George Bush)
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To: unkus
There is no more appreciation of where we came from or how we got here. Everything is taken for granted.

That's definitely true.

27 posted on 01/06/2009 10:55:27 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: eclecticEel

My lab partner and I built the “shocking” counters that kept track of which shock button was pushed for one of these university studies in 1972 or 73.


28 posted on 01/06/2009 10:57:23 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Sherman Logan; John123

Article One contains the powers reserved to the legislative branch. Permitted executive actions are detailed in Article Two.


29 posted on 01/06/2009 11:00:11 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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30 posted on 01/06/2009 11:14:42 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Actually, I wouldn’t have obeyed. I always was stubborn and pigheaded, which of course got me into a lot of trouble...


31 posted on 01/07/2009 3:43:01 AM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: LadyDoc

The whole premise of this article is a steaming pile of bull, and these experiments have effectively nothing to do with the vicious savagery of the Nazi regime.

It’s been well-documented that there was no pressure to be involved in the killing operations, and indeed any soldier who requested reassignment were readily granted that request, even if it was just because they got queasy at the sight of blood and brains as opposed to any kind of moral principle. The Einsatzgruppen were volunteer squads.

Likewise, a theory of social or authoritarian coercion cannot explain the zeal and vigor with which most of the killers pursued and carried out their duties. Ghetto liquidators were meticulous and thorough, even though they could have simply refrained from applying stethoscopes to walls and ceilings in their search for Jews to murder. A German soldier could simply shoot a Jewish child, rather than grabbing her by the hair, dangling her from his fist for a moment, and then shooting her, but he didn’t. And even as the German army was falling apart at the seams, there was a frenzied effort to continue killing Jews at all costs - even at the cost of military effectiveness.

The Nazi brutality stemmed not from coercion of unwilling participants, but the societal cultivation of willing participants over the course of decades, or centuries, worth of incitement - the same kind of incitement you’re seeing today in leftist cities outside Israeli consulates.


32 posted on 01/07/2009 4:15:32 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: neverdem

No need for those messy death camps. Just raise the kids to be dependent forever, on parents, on teachers, on government; and liberty will have no appeal for them. Liberty is for people who can stand on their own.


33 posted on 01/07/2009 4:17:23 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Live your principles. Don't just type them here.)
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To: neverdem

And what percentage was it during the aftermath that incited the driving of Tories out of their homes and confiscation their properties?


34 posted on 01/07/2009 4:22:13 AM PST by Clive
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To: Gondring
Article One contains the powers reserved to the legislative branch. Permitted executive actions are detailed in Article Two.

Which Lincoln addressed. His presidential decision was taken while Congress was out of session. He acted to deal with what was indisputably the greatest crisis in the history of the US, before or since.

When he called Congress back into a special session, he submitted his decision to Congress and it was approved. He pointed out to it that he had acted on an emergency basis and that if they believed he had sufficiently overstepped his authority they had the right and duty to impeach him and remove him from office.

35 posted on 01/07/2009 5:47:33 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping.


36 posted on 01/07/2009 7:43:05 AM PST by GOPJ (Newspapers don't need fewer journalists. Newspapers need more readers. STOP LIBERAL BIAS)
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To: neverdem
Drop “earth daze”

and “globe-bullsh-t warming freak shows”

and ADD "how not to be a Nazi monster from hell" to school curriculum...

If kids get out of school not knowing how to read or write it's bad enough, but they don't need to come out ready to be good Nazis.

37 posted on 01/07/2009 7:53:15 AM PST by GOPJ (Newspapers don't need fewer journalists. Newspapers need more readers. STOP LIBERAL BIAS)
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To: Red6; Canedawg
"we have become a magnet for those who want the wealth but no part of the dream"

Well said.

Americans, drunk on wealth, privelege, power, security, hubris, and denial, are no longer afraid of the terrible consequences of all this. Yes--naziism and things every bit as horrible, or worse, as hard as that is to imagine, could occur here.

Back in the mid-20th century, my elderly uncle, a brilliant and successful man, told me that the U.S. could go the way of the Roman Republic.

I understood this intellectually, but the reality of it--i.e. just how it could come about--eluded me. I thought it a theoretical probability but a long way off. I couldn't understand, e.g., how the Roman people could cease to fear the Barbarians; how they could become apathetic about Rome, their security, the welfare of their children. I wondered why they allowed Emperors to become so powerful, fearing monarchy as they had throughout their history, and why they would tolerate such depravity and absolute power as even the earliest of the Emperors displayed (absolute power absolutely corrupted the Roman Emperors from the very beginning). I wondered how Caligula, the third (am I not mistaken?) of their Emporers, could make his horse a Senator, and how he could make the Senate into a whorehouse and force the wives and daughters of the Senators to work there as prostitutes.

Why did the people of Rome tolerate such as this, I wondered? It was unimaginable to me.

I'm beginning to understand.

And make no mistake--there are people salivating right now at the thought of seizing the wealth and power of the richest, most powerful nation the world has ever known, and the more that power concentrates itself in Washington, and the more decadent, unstable, and vulnerable the U.S. becomes, the more insane with temptation these monsters become!

38 posted on 01/07/2009 8:18:28 AM PST by Savage Beast (The Left is decadence.)
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To: neverdem

“IIRC, during the American Revolution the support of one third of the population was enough to end the tyranny of King George III. “

Yes, and only 17% actively participated in the revolution and changed the world. I just hope there is 17% of us left to save this country.


39 posted on 01/07/2009 8:26:33 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925)
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To: Clive
And what percentage was it during the aftermath that incited the driving of Tories out of their homes and confiscation their properties?

I'll let you tell me. All's fair in love and war. Tories were de facto traitors. They could have remained neutral. They sided with the tyrant. Are you familiar with the fate of Francis Lewis? Other patriots suffered a similar fate. The Tories backed the British who had a habit of being quite nasty. Ask the Irish. More Americans died in British prison ships in New York Harbor than in all the battles of the Revolutionary War.

40 posted on 01/07/2009 10:37:57 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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