America Tolerates Preaching Overthrow Of Government; We Didn't Before

The Post Chronicle ^ | Jan 2, 2009 | Vincent Gioia

[An Old Man]

There was a time, now disparaged by liberals, when it was considered un-American to advocate the overthrow of the United States. Indeed, even congress thought so and launched investigations to reveal by "outing" prominent people who harbored such thoughts and philosophies. Of course, in today's age of political correctness, and worse, those investigators are defiled and the guilty are revered. Many of those discovered to be un-American resided in Hollywood but others were in government and in classified research. Our arch enemy at the time, the Soviet Union, advanced there own research programs with the help of these "un-Americans."

[An Old Man]

Ignorance, apathy and incrementalism are the greatest threat to societies. Like a cancer, ignorance of the problem, delay in seeking treatment and incremental growth will doom the host.

I really miss Joe Mcarthy!

[television is just wrong]

Somewhere in this nation there is a Joe McCarthy. He needs to come forward. Turn this mess around for the sheeple who don’t have the spine.

[Cacique]

Try and advocate the overthrow of Obama and see how fast you land in jail or worse.

[television is just wrong]

No taxation without representation. P.S. it is in our constitution. It is our DUTY to overthrow a corrupt government.

[ChicagahAl]

I’m pretty sure that sedition is still a capital crime.

Unfortunately, since it has not been enforced against the political left for decades in the US, the Socialists who now control the US will probably enforce it against the political right.

[ETL]

"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
-Bill Ayers, New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==
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Bill Ayers TODAY (April 6, 2008), from his own red communist star-headed website, begging to debate communism vs capitalism with Sean Hannity and STILL calling for revolution!

"Imperialism. I’m against it, and if Sean Hannity and others were honest, this is the ground they would fight me on. Capitalism played its role historically and is exhausted as a force for progress: built on exploitation, theft, conquest, war, and racism, capitalism and imperialism must be defeated and a world revolution—a revolution against war and racism and materialism, a revolution based on human solidarity and love, cooperation and the common good —must win.

We begin by releasing our most hopeful dreams and our most radical imaginations: a better world is both possible and necessary.

Source: Bill Ayers' own website:
http://billayers.wordpress.com/2008/04/page/2/
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"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."

YouTube Video:
The O'Reilly Factor confronts Bill Ayers:
October 24, 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3uvK9gTIY

[dfwgator]

It all depends on what those who want to overthrow the government want to replace it with.

[television is just wrong]

we just need to toss out the corrupt politicians and put more people in with honesty and commitment to our nation. Commitment to what our founding fathers intended.

[huldah1776]

What about a Josephine?

[SERE_DOC]

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Thomas Jefferson.

Since there is little difference between Republicans and Democratic politicians, who will stand against them when the abandon the constitution in total subjugation to themselves and worship all they have done, and their majesty "The man who never was" if he betrays us to the world?

[Chgogal]

We had Stephen Coughlin but he was fired.

Here is a pretty good summary:

Maj. Steve Coughlin for Beginners by Jeffrey Breinholt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1962314/posts

and

The termination of Stephen Coughlin on the Joint Staff is an act of intellectual cowardice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1949183/posts

Here is the PDF file:
http://www.strategycenter.net/docLib/20080107_Coughlin_ExtremistJihad.pdf

Who is H. Islam:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTQ1ZjE0MWZlYWI2ODVjYzU3MjcyZjBkMzcxNzBjNTQ

Final Curtain:
Islam leaving [The man who got Maj Steve Coughlin Fired]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2142672/posts

[autumnraine]

If Bill Ayers can preach overthrowing the government and be held as some sort of anti-society hero, then why can’t we?

[I see my hands]

[ETL]

This schmuck below is worshiped by clueless dopes across America. You should see the scene in New York's Central Park each year on the anniversary of his death.

The Lost John Lennon Interview
"Power to the People"

TA (interviewer): In a way you were even thinking about politics when you seemed to be knocking revolution?

JL (Lennon): Ah, sure, 'Revolution' . There were two versions of that song but the underground left only picked up on the one that said 'count me out'. The original version which ends up on the LP said 'count me in' too; I put in both because I wasn't sure. There was a third version that was just abstract, musique concrete, kind of loops and that, people screaming. I thought I was painting in sound a picture of revolution--but I made a mistake, you know. The mistake was that it was anti-revolution.

On the version released as a single I said 'when you talk about destruction you can count me out'. I didn't want to get killed. I didn't really know that much about the Maoists, but I just knew that they seemed to be so few and yet they painted themselves green and stood in front of the police waiting to get picked off. I just thought it was unsubtle, you know. I thought the original Communist revolutionaries coordinated themselves a bit better and didn't go around shouting about it. That was how I felt--I was really asking a question. As someone from the working class I was always interested in Russia and China and everything that related to the working class, even though I was playing the capitalist game.

http://beatlesnumber9.com/lostlennon.html
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John Lennon lyrics - Power To The People
Album: Shaved Fish

Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

Say you want a revolution
We better get on right away
Well you get on your feet
And out on the street

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

A million workers working for nothing
You better give 'em what they really own
We got to put you down
When we come into town

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

I gotta ask you comrades and brothers
How do you treat you own woman back home
She got to be herself
So she can free herself

Singing power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on
Now, now, now, now

Oh well, power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

Yeah, power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people
Power to the people, right on

http://johnlennon.lyrics.info/powertothepeople.html

[Chgogal]

My post was in reference to this paragraph:

"Although some Muslims do not condone the actions of Islamic Jihadists and Sharia Law (Islamic law), there are many among the 1.2 or 1.5 billions of Muslims around the world who do. In the last several years we have witnessed an expansion in the number of so-called Islamic scholars and Imams preaching about the violent ideology everywhere including in the United States. The founder of the Islamic/Jihadist organization, Abul Mawdudi, (formerly Jammaat-E-Islami) is just one of many who enter our country with government overthrow in mind and who are allowed to preach their hatred. For example, Mawdudi distributes manuals to his flock in U.S. mosques on how to conduct terrorist activities against their enemies; explained in vivid detail. Many U.S. Islamic mosques have these manuals and distribute them to their worshippers. Another example of what is taught in mosques by these manuals: “In the jihad in the way of Allah, active combat is not always the role on the battlefield, nor can everyone fight in the front line. Just for one single battle preparations have often to be made for decades on end and the plans deeply laid, and while only some thousands fight in the front line there are behind them millions engaged in various tasks which, though small themselves, contribute directly to the supreme effort.” Mawdudi further states, “A time will come when Communism will fear for its survival in Moscow, Capitalistic democracy will tremble for its safety in Washington and New York.”

[I see my hands]

"why can’t we"

Rather ask: "Why can't I?"

[OldNavyVet]

A famous song from WW-I and WW-II was “Over there.”

The Chorus reads ...

“Over there, over there,
Send the word, send the word over there -
That the Yanks are coming,
The Yanks are coming,
The drums rum-tumming
Ev’rywhere.
So prepare, say a pray’r,
Send the word, send the word to beware.
We’ll be over, we’re coming over,
And we won’t come back till it’s over
Over there.”

In other words, Americans sent into action in WW-I and WW-II generally went “over there” for the duration of the war.

Today, however, American traitors say “You can’t go into action without a withdrawal plan.”

Juan Willisms, speaking about Irael’s current action in Gaza, used those words this morning on Fox News Sunday.

[ETL]

If Bill Ayers can preach overthrowing the government and be held as some sort of anti-society hero, then why can’t we?

"This is a guy [Bill Ayers] who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago"

[Obama] is named Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge founded by Bill Ayers
(article typo has Ayers instead of Obama)

In late 1993, Bill Ayers, now an associate professor of education at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus, organized a team to put together a grant proposal to secure nearly $50 million from the Annenberg Challenge. The money was to be used by Ayers and co. to bolster the radical Local School Councils reform project that Ayers and Obama had championed back in 1988 through the ABCs.

The grant application was successful and in early 1995 Barack Obama was named chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers was named co-chair of the Challenge’s operative and strategic body, the Chicago School Reform Collaborative. Ayers and Obama work together for the next five years on raising an additional $60 million in matching money from local foundations and corporations and using the money to intervene in the governance of the Chicago public schools.

The Challenge through a multi-million dollar Leadership Development Initiative intervened in the School Council elections in the middle of what was known as the Chicago School Wars. At the same time Chicago Mayor Richard Daley was pushing, successfully, to gut the power of the Councils.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/
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"The Small Schools Workshop was founded in 1991 at the University of Illinois at Chicago to provide support for teachers who were trying to create new smaller learning environments. Its director is Michael Klonsky, a former professor of education at UIC."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Schools_Workshop
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Some background on Bill Ayers' SDS comrade, Michael Klonsky
(Chicago Annenberg Challenge-related)

"One of Bill Ayers’ and Bernardine Dohrn’s comrades in the late 60s Students for a Democratic Society was Mike Klonsky. When Dohrn and Ayers moved in one direction toward the violent tactics of the Weather Underground, Klonsky, in the wake of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia, dropped the pro-Russian communist politics of his parents and became a committed Maoist. As leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) in 1977 [not to be confused with Communist Party USA. CPML no longer exists, CPUSA formed decades earlier and is still around-ETL], he travelled to Beijing and was toasted by the senior Beijing leadership.

When the crazy left of the 70s died in the 80s, Klonsky went to graduate school in education in Florida and then moved to Chicago.

While driving a cab there he [Michael Klonsky] was recruited by his old friend Bill Ayers to head up a new project called the Small Schools Workshop in 1991. It’s offices were in the Department of Education building at the University of Illinois Chicago Circle Campus where Ayers taught.

In 1995 the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge headed by Ayers and Obama gave the Workshop a grant of $175,000.

The Annenberg Challenge also had its office space in the same building as Ayers Department and the Workshop, rent free courtesy of the University.

In 2008 Klonsky ran a blog on the official Obama campaign website on education policy and “social justice” teaching. When discussion of the Klonsky blog emerged in the blogosphere, it was promptly shut down by the campaign and all of the posts made by Klonsky were removed from the site."

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/12/the-obama-ayers-top-ten-highlights-of-the-20-year-obama-ayers-connection/
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In 1977, the October League was reorganized as the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) [again, not Communist Party USA (CPUSA) -ETL] and former SDS activist Michael Klonsky became party chairman. Also in 1977, Klonsky traveled to China and the CPML was recognized by the Chinese Communist Party as its official sister party in America.

(snip)

In January 1981, Michael Klonsky resigned as party chairman, and the CPML disbanded that same year.

The previous Red Encyclopedia description of the CPML was incorrectly combined with that of the Communist Party USA (Marxist-Leninist).

http://reds.linefeed.org/past.html
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From Investor's Business Daily (IBD), August 27, 2008:

"Ayers, now a tenured distinguished professor of education at UIC, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

One of Ayer's descriptions for a course called 'Improving Learning Environments' says prospective K-12 teachers need to 'be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and ... be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation.

The Annenberg papers are quite extensive — 132 boxes containing 947 file folders with 70 linear feet of material. They undoubtedly contain more surprises regarding Obama's relationship with Ayers, one of many relationships Obama has sought to hide.'..."

Article: Annenberg Papers: Putting On Ayers?
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=304729375940845
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Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA [Maoist]
Revolution #63, October 1, 2006

Interview with Bill Ayers:
"On Progressive Education, Critical Thinking and the Cowardice of Some in Dangerous Times"
http://rwor.org/a/063/ayers-en.html

[Old Sarge]

The Sheep are Leftists. This is the government they want.

And there is nothing you, personally, can do about it.

[Da Coyote]

Heck, I wouldn’t have tolerated it - until these past few months.

Now, I cannot say that’s be against it.

Remember that old military oath about protecting the constitution against enemies - foreign and DOMESTIC.