Posted on 01/04/2009 12:27:20 AM PST by rabscuttle385
The problem is, the Palin supporters are assessing her record and her words clearly. Yes, she is pro-life, pro-2nd, and pro-family values. But she is very much a populist (read: Democrat) when it comes to fiscal policy. This article is about how the public school system is indoctrinating children. Well, Palin wants to pay public schoolteachers more and put more funding into public schools. And she opposes a voucher system.
the Palin supporters are NOT assessing her record and her words clearly.
One big thing we could do is to automatically certify any grad student who has taught college freshman for a year to be qualified to teach the same subject in high school, with no need to get any Ed credits.
We should also automatically certify military personnel who have taught in the military.
Very well said. That's what many of us have been saying for years. How is one thing a gov't handout but another isn't?
However, I do understand why parents send their children to public schools: they've all been brought up to believe in the public school system. They look at their property tax bills and think, "Well, I'm paying into it. Might as well use it." Maybe they can't afford private school, and they fear that their child won't develop socially without going to school. I understand these parents because I've had those same fears at certain points, even though we are a homeschooling family ourselves.
But, the school parents need to learn to see that "free" public education is a gov't handout, just like welfare or any other gov't program. They are insulted by the comparison, but no offense is intended here. It's just a fact - public school is a big government program.
Excellent point! Through the years, I found that most churches would like their parishioners to be more involved. Many have invested in large "community centers" to attract new members.
But, to open a private school, they could never compete with the public school system. They can't afford to pay teachers what the public school will pay them unless they charge a higher tuition. Most parents aren't willing to pay a higher tuition when they can send their children to public school "for free."
Enter the homeschool families. Many homeschool cooperatives have been established at churches for a very low tuition. We've belonged to a couple of them, and I am familiar with many others. Tuition ranges from as low as $15 per semester (I'm not kidding) to as high as $800/year (last I checked). Most use parents as teachers, while some hire people to teach.
Down the street, there is a Catholic church with many homeschool families as members. I talked to the priest once, and he said the children excel there in a classical education. I've met some of the families, and I believe him. Recently, they started an "academy" right at the church where the children study Latin, mathematics, etc.
This summer, I found out about a Protestant Christian school opened by parents nearby for a very low tuition. But, most parents won't know about these schools/cooperatives unless they go looking. And they don't look because they have the public school system.
:-(
But you're not alone.
The point of the book was that the industrial, conservative producers of the world - the engineers and industrialists and inventors and entrepreneurs - all decided enough is enough. They are tired of being stolen from and forced to support a liberal world of thieves and users.
They basically decide to disappear or “abandon” the world to its fate. They basically say “lets see how you get along without us”. They are led by John Gault. They would represent we who are tired of watching our children subjected to the cesspool of public schools.
Dagny Taggert and Hank Rearden represent you.
They are entrepreneurs and inventors - producers like John Gault and his people - but they are mad at him and his for abandoning the world. They agree with Gault’s principles but not his methods.
But they are wrong, and over the course of the book as things in the country and world get worse and worse and worse they finally see that all they are doing is delaying the inevitable. That the system CANNOT be reformed. That their methods do not work. That the system is hopelessly immoral and infective and corrupt and that they are simply helping it survive. It must be allowed to collapse.
And that is what happens and that is the moral of the story. Sometimes things must get worse before they can get better. John Gault and his follows leave the liberal world of takers to their fate and come back after the whole thing collapses to rebuild. They are Atlas. Their leaving is the “shrug”.
Read the wisdom posted above by Elvina. Post #169 of 186
I brought up Atlas Shrugged because you are a fellow conservative, thus worthy of our respect, and someone we’d all like to see come around to our point of view on this topic.
In the novel, Hank Rearden and Dagny Taggart were two characters who were basically on the right side of things, yet they had philosophical contradictions (errors) that led them to resist what Galt was trying to do: abandon the rotten collectivist system rather than try to support it and/or repair it. The message that Galt and his companions gave to Dagny and Rearden was basically: Let it go. Don’t give them your mind, your work, your life, it will only fuel an evil system, not change it.
We who see public schooling as an inherently socialistic system, do not think you can change it by volunteering, and that it is wrong to try. We are trying to point this out as Galt tried: by reason and exploration of the flaws in your position.
Hope that clears it up a bit! :)
Amending my remarks for clarity: We who see public schooling as an inherently socialistic system, do not think you can change it by volunteering, and we believe that it is wrong to try to change it by working with it.
In theory it sounds OK, but I’m seeing no evidence it’s going to work. Even a small amount of idiots can screw up the whole country and the NEA is in the majority!
Well? Come on now.
Public education is funded through coerced taxation. The funds are spent and decisions made by an elected board. If you want input on the education of your own children, you are supposed to go to the bureaucracy and board of education to make your voice heard.
We see how well public schools work. They are extremely successful in scamming money out of taxpayers to go into the pockets of the 'producers' in the industry. That includes not only teachers, but school employees, school book publishers and all the other hangers-on to public schools. What public schools fail at is actually educating kids to any sensible standard.
And my ultimate point is simply: This system is NOT reformable. As long as it's socialist, forget about it.
“In my opinion, you "prepare" your children for the real world, ie, worldly values, BY sheltering them and giving them a good grounding in moral truths and discernment of the BS that they'll be facing.”Preparing kids for the real world is like preparing a space shuttle for launch.
No need to, David, inspired by God, already drew the parallel.
3Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
4As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
5Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate.
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