Posted on 01/02/2009 8:37:18 PM PST by Mikey
RICHMOND
Some legislators want Virginia to join the growing chorus of states that have defied the federal government by refusing to participate in a national identification program billed as a way to fight terrorism and identity theft.
Two pieces of legislation for consideration when lawmakers return to Richmond on Jan. 14 call for Virginia to ignore the federal mandate to come into compliance with the Real ID Act by the beginning of next year.
Similar bills went nowhere last year, but supporters say the looming deadline gives the issue new urgency.
"Basically, this statute that I put in is one to let the feds know that, one, the way you're going about this we have problems with, and two, if you intend to enforce this, we intend to challenge it," said Del. Robert G. Marshall, R-Prince William and one of the sponsors.
Since the law's enactment in 2005, at least 42 states have considered anti-Real ID legislation, and more than half have passed measures either forbidding their states from participating or urging Congress to amend or repeal the law.
At least five states have gone the other direction, passing bills bringing their programs into compliance.
Critics say they expect other states to join Virginia in 2009 to fight against Real ID.
The program was born of the commission that looked into the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. It recommended that the U.S. improve its system of issuing identification documents because the hijackers had numerous licenses and state IDs. Congress approved legislation requiring states to issue licenses and ID cards that meet certain security standards.
The new IDs will be required for federal purposes, such as boarding an airplane or entering a federal building. Other federal identification, including passports and military IDs, also will be accepted.
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It won’t end until every man woman and child on the face of this planet is chipped.
There are so many stupid people who actually believe this will stop ID theft, terrorism, etc.
Orwell’s 1984 started a long time ago. The mark of the beast in right around the corner.
... and help combat vote fraud, thus the opposition.
Personally, I prefer an open source, multi-biometric citizenship database. Cards are kind of stupid, especially when you can be the card.
Thanks for the article. Today WMAL has been airing a sound bite from State Senator Ken Cuccinelli who’s running for Attorney General wherein he says he’s opposed to the Real ID Act. I couldn’t find anything online about it.
And what would you do to stop ID Theft, document fraud, and to help businesses and the government deal with illegal aliens?
But yet we can not even determine the actual citizenship status of the President elect?
If VA and other states won’t get their drivers licenses into compliance with the Real ID Act, tell their citizens they will need other ID such as a valid U.S. passport to fly domestic and international. Also, if they won’t check voters for citizenship and residency, the votes don’t count in federal elections. The flying ID could be done by a FAA rule. The vote thing would take action by the Omama administration so it won’t happen.
ID theft and document fraud are often created by businesses and the federal government by not checking SS cards.
I'm usually cynical with regards to government involvement, but in this case, I'm even more so.
I could get my birth certificate through the mail, but I was informed it would be AT LEAST 6 to 8 weeks. But here's the kicker... The cost of each certified birth certificate would be $30! Talk about highway robbery! But wait, it gets better. Since I can't afford to lose my drivers license if it takes longer than 8 weeks, I'm having my request "expedited." According to the service, I can expect my certificates in 10 days to 2 weeks. And it only adds another $15 to the cost of EACH birth certificate! Add on the $7.50 "transaction fee," and the total to have 2 certified birth certificates shipped to me is just shy of $97.50!
Mark
ID theft and document fraud are often created by businesses and the federal government by not checking SS cards.
SS Cards can be faked by anyone with a dye sublimation printer. Real ID is mean stop this. Why sabotage the effort?
I'm usually cynical with regards to government involvement, but in this case, I'm even more so.
Try complicit with the problem. You have no solution, only contradictory complaints.
Seems to me legislation such as this poses some interesting constitutional questions. 200+ years after the first go-around, Virginia is doing some “nullifying”?
national identification program isn’t that a SS#?
VA already requires that you present proof of legal residence before you can obtain/renew a driver’s license or ID. Proof of legal residence, of course, is NOT proof of citizenship, but it is a step forward.
However, even if proof of citizenship was required in VA to secure some form of official identification, it is all moot inasmuch as one is not required to present ID when voting.
RealID is just another federal boondoggle, folks. If the federal government will do little to combat illegal immigration now, then the advent of a new national ID system is not going to make a difference. The problem is one of will, not of means.
How large is that some, Two?? Virginia will support the program.
“...there is a huge value in the government knowing who is a citizen and who is not. This is a necessary step if there is ever to be a real crackdown on illegal immigration or identity theft.”
Maybe, just maybe if our boarders weren’t so damned porous where anyone could just waltz across them at anytime, we wouldn’t need all these intrusive ID schemes.
All it is, is more Big Brother.
When the law that’ll eventually make it mandatory to have a biometric chip inserted into ones body. Will you march on down to the local insertion station to be chipped?
“Personally, I prefer an open source, multi-biometric citizenship database. Cards are kind of stupid, especially when you can be the card.”
Slaves rejoicing in their slavery. Demanding others to be enslaved because they’re to scared to attempt to break the chains of their own enslavement.
>>>>>>The cost of each certified birth certificate would be $30! .... it takes longer than 8 weeks,<<<<<<<
You might try the local City Clerk or County Clerk where you were born, they are usually cheaper and faster.
In my own state of birth you can get BCs from the local town/city clerk (where vital records are initially filed), or you can go through the state Registrar but at a much higher cost because they outsource that function to a third-party for-profit processor.
It’s like registering a business: you can easily go directly to your state Corporation Commission, or for twice the price through a third-party.
I am 100 percent certain that most local Registrars in NY can provide you with your BC for a nominal fee and usually with walk-in service.
>>>>>SS Cards can be faked by anyone with a dye sublimation printer.<<<<<
Using or requiring a SS Card as any kind of identification (as some entities do) is a preposterous joke.
Anyone with a $49 scanner and an ink-jet printer can reproduce and then fake a SS card in 10 minutes or less.
Requiring the card for anything other than employment purposes (and even that is dubious) should be a federal crime.
We've come accustomed to putting these people up on pedestals.
These elitist in Congress, Supreme Court, and the White House have accepted and perpetuated this notion.
Elected officials are SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE!
They are elected by the people to go their and serve our will....not to take on some superior status.
This is what is wrong with our government, it has transformed into a oligarchy.
For instance, placing someone into a senate seat just because that person holds a name such as Kennedy, Clinton, Rockefeller or whatever.
American citizens need to demand more of these folks up in Washington or any state government.
The position gained in any governmental body is a privilege. A privilege to serve your country....not get rich off of it.
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