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It all started with the socialistic insecurity number. This is only the next step. All under the guise of helping and protecting us.

It won’t end until every man woman and child on the face of this planet is chipped.

There are so many stupid people who actually believe this will stop ID theft, terrorism, etc.

Orwell’s 1984 started a long time ago. The mark of the beast in right around the corner.

“From bondage to spiritual faith;

From spiritual faith to great courage;

From courage to liberty;

From liberty to abundance;

From abundance to complacency;

From complacency to apathy;

From apathy to dependence; <<< We are here now

From dependence back into bondage.”

(Emphasis mine)

Alexander Tytler

"If you think we are free today, you know nothing about tyranny and even less about freedom."

Tom Braun

"Men in authority will always think that criticism of their policies is dangerous. They will always equate their policies with patriotism, and find criticism subversive."

Henry Steele Commager

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

1 posted on 01/02/2009 8:37:20 PM PST by Mikey
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...billed as a way to fight terrorism and identity theft...

... and help combat vote fraud, thus the opposition.

2 posted on 01/02/2009 8:41:53 PM PST by Ingtar (Americans have truly let America down. A sad day.)
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis
3 posted on 01/02/2009 8:43:11 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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Well, apart from the implementation being technically flawed, there is a huge value in the government knowing who is a citizen and who is not. This is a necessary step if there is ever to be a real crackdown on illegal immigration or identity theft.

Personally, I prefer an open source, multi-biometric citizenship database. Cards are kind of stupid, especially when you can be the card.

4 posted on 01/02/2009 8:44:26 PM PST by mbraynard (You are the Republican Party. See you at the precinct meeting.)
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Thanks for the article. Today WMAL has been airing a sound bite from State Senator Ken Cuccinelli who’s running for Attorney General wherein he says he’s opposed to the Real ID Act. I couldn’t find anything online about it.


5 posted on 01/02/2009 8:48:33 PM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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And what would you do to stop ID Theft, document fraud, and to help businesses and the government deal with illegal aliens?


6 posted on 01/02/2009 8:49:44 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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But yet we can not even determine the actual citizenship status of the President elect?


7 posted on 01/02/2009 8:51:29 PM PST by TheBigIf
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If VA and other states won’t get their drivers licenses into compliance with the Real ID Act, tell their citizens they will need other ID such as a valid U.S. passport to fly domestic and international. Also, if they won’t check voters for citizenship and residency, the votes don’t count in federal elections. The flying ID could be done by a FAA rule. The vote thing would take action by the Omama administration so it won’t happen.


8 posted on 01/02/2009 8:54:38 PM PST by RicocheT
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Last week I received a post card from the state, informing me that in order to renew my drivers license in February, I would need to present a certified copy of my birth certificate, complete with "raised seal," or a valid passport. Well, my birth certificate is some 46 years old, and if the seal on it was raised once, it's not any more... I was told that I needed to get a replacement. So I tried contacting the appropriate people at the NY State Dept of Health. Well, THEY don't take care of vital records documents like birth and death certificates. They contract it out.

I could get my birth certificate through the mail, but I was informed it would be AT LEAST 6 to 8 weeks. But here's the kicker... The cost of each certified birth certificate would be $30! Talk about highway robbery! But wait, it gets better. Since I can't afford to lose my drivers license if it takes longer than 8 weeks, I'm having my request "expedited." According to the service, I can expect my certificates in 10 days to 2 weeks. And it only adds another $15 to the cost of EACH birth certificate! Add on the $7.50 "transaction fee," and the total to have 2 certified birth certificates shipped to me is just shy of $97.50!

Mark

11 posted on 01/02/2009 9:22:26 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Seems to me legislation such as this poses some interesting constitutional questions. 200+ years after the first go-around, Virginia is doing some “nullifying”?


13 posted on 01/02/2009 10:24:33 PM PST by Dan Middleton
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VA already requires that you present proof of legal residence before you can obtain/renew a driver’s license or ID. Proof of legal residence, of course, is NOT proof of citizenship, but it is a step forward.

However, even if proof of citizenship was required in VA to secure some form of official identification, it is all moot inasmuch as one is not required to present ID when voting.

RealID is just another federal boondoggle, folks. If the federal government will do little to combat illegal immigration now, then the advent of a new national ID system is not going to make a difference. The problem is one of will, not of means.


15 posted on 01/03/2009 5:27:57 AM PST by ForeignDude
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Some legislators want Virginia to join the growing chorus of states that have defied the federal government by refusing to participate in a national identification program billed as a way to fight terrorism and identity theft.

How large is that some, Two?? Virginia will support the program.

16 posted on 01/03/2009 5:55:33 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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What really gets me, millions of Americans treat elected government officials as rock stars or higher powers.

We've come accustomed to putting these people up on pedestals.

These elitist in Congress, Supreme Court, and the White House have accepted and perpetuated this notion.

Elected officials are SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE!

They are elected by the people to go their and serve our will....not to take on some superior status.

This is what is wrong with our government, it has transformed into a oligarchy.

For instance, placing someone into a senate seat just because that person holds a name such as Kennedy, Clinton, Rockefeller or whatever.

American citizens need to demand more of these folks up in Washington or any state government.

The position gained in any governmental body is a privilege. A privilege to serve your country....not get rich off of it.

20 posted on 01/03/2009 6:49:13 AM PST by servantboy777
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