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Is Israel Using ‘Disproportionate Force’
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1208/disproportionate_dore.php3 ^ | Dore Gold

Posted on 12/31/2008 8:24:58 AM PST by ventanax5

Moving beyond the question of international law, the charge that Israel is using a disproportionate amount of force in the Gaza Strip because of reports of Palestinian casualties has to be looked at critically. Israelis have often said among themselves over the last seven years that when a Hamas rocket makes a direct strike on a crowded school, killing many children, then Israel will finally act.

This scenario raises the question of whether the doctrine of proportionality requires that Israel wait for this horror to occur, or whether Israel could act on the basis of the destructive capability of the arsenal Hamas already possesses, the hostile declarations of intent of its leaders, and its readiness to use its rocket forces already. Alan Dershowitz noted two years ago: "Proportion must be defined by reference to the threat proposed by an enemy and not by the harm it has produced." Waiting for a Hamas rocket to fall on an Israeli school, he rightly notes, would put Israel in the position of allowing "its enemies to play Russian Roulette with its children."13

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gaza; hamas; islam; israel; jihad; mohammedanism122008; wot
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1 posted on 12/31/2008 8:24:58 AM PST by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

I certainly hope so!


2 posted on 12/31/2008 8:25:42 AM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: ventanax5

Not if we are still getting televised reporting from Gaza.


3 posted on 12/31/2008 8:27:29 AM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ventanax5

I’m a firm believer of pounding tacks with a sledge hammer. But hey, that’s just me.


4 posted on 12/31/2008 8:28:23 AM PST by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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To: ConservaTexan

Israel needs to step it up!


5 posted on 12/31/2008 8:28:46 AM PST by stocksthatgoup
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To: ventanax5

Proportional response must take into consideration the capability of the agressor. If 95% of Hamas’ total capacity is being used to fire rockets at Israel, it can be reasoned that a similar proportion of force will be used when Hamas has more lethal means at its disposal. War is a defensive necessity in this case - the wolf will only get bigger, meaner, and hungrier.


6 posted on 12/31/2008 8:29:25 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: ventanax5

When you are under deadly assault, you are under no obligation to be gentle with your attacker!

The attacker assumes all responsiblilty for any harm to the civilians he might hide behind.
It is a war crime to use civilians as shields, not to mention attacking civilians in the first place!


7 posted on 12/31/2008 8:30:00 AM PST by G Larry (BarackÂ’s character has been molded by extremists)
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To: Frank_Discussion

They should kill one Palistinian terrorist for every rocket launched and 100 for every Jew killed by those rocket attacks.


8 posted on 12/31/2008 8:30:40 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: ventanax5
Well, maybe they have a point. Maybe Israel should just indiscriminately lob 2000 rockets into Gaza instead of targeting Hamas.
9 posted on 12/31/2008 8:31:04 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: ventanax5

The Hamas rockets have been plentiful but relatively ineffective. However, if they had been accurate and therefore effective, large numbers of Israelis would have been killed. The intent is, and has been, to try to kill as many as possible. Isn’t the intent what matters when we speak about “disproportionate”, or the actual result?


10 posted on 12/31/2008 8:32:00 AM PST by bergmeid (Best entertainment I've had in a while.)
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To: ventanax5

MSM created term to gain sympathy for the Palis...


11 posted on 12/31/2008 8:35:22 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: ventanax5

“Proportionality” in warfare is just a slick way of tying the hands or the more powerful combatant. It’s an appeal to a sort of fairness that has never really existed in combat.


12 posted on 12/31/2008 8:39:07 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: ventanax5

No such thing as “disproportionate force” when you are defending yourself against someone trying to wipe you off the face of the map.

You’d be pretty darn stupid NOT to use every ounce you have at your disposal.


13 posted on 12/31/2008 8:39:11 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: Frank_Discussion
I hope so too. Responding to an attack with disproportionate force is the second-best* way to ensure they won't attack again. As in, you don't ever want to try that with me again.

*Note, the best way is to simply kill them all, then there is no-one left to consider a subsequent attack.

14 posted on 12/31/2008 8:39:49 AM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: domenad

The term “Proportional response” is BS. If a bully slaps you, are you just going to slap him back or are you going to take him out? “Proportional response” is used by politicians to drag out a conflict and nothing more. Would we use “Proportional response” if we were attacked by Mexico or Canada? I don’t think so. If you shoot at me with a .22, I will come back at you with the biggest weapon I own.....simple as that. We need to stop kidding ourselves.


15 posted on 12/31/2008 8:40:02 AM PST by RC2
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To: ventanax5

At Pearl Harbor Japan sank some battleships and killed a couple thousand Americans. According to Israel’s critics, we should have stopped our attacks when we had inflicted similar losses on Japan.


16 posted on 12/31/2008 8:42:49 AM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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To: bergmeid

I agree with this and am disgusted by the attempt to characterize the Hamas missiles as somehow too inferior or not destructive enough to warrant Israeli reprisals.


17 posted on 12/31/2008 8:44:01 AM PST by steveyp
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To: roaddog727
Right, what exactly is "disproportionate force?" I mean, if someone is trying to kill you, you go after them with everything you have, there's no percentage in holding back.

Why should anyone play tit-for-tat games and let an enemy continue to injure and kill their citizens? To keep the fight fair? Ha! A fair fight means a fair chance of losing. In a fight where lives are on the line, a fair fight is the last thing I want. Sucker-punch them, squash a fly with a sledge, whatever euphemism you like. When it is life and death, you play to win, period. If that means it isn't a fair fight, then they shouldn't have engaged you in the first place, they were stupid.

18 posted on 12/31/2008 8:45:24 AM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: bergmeid
"Isn’t the intent what matters when we speak about “disproportionate”, or the actual result?"

Copy that!.

If someone points a firearm at me at close range and still misses, I should not be responsible for providing him with a free firearm safety course and shooting lessons just to allow the next time to have a successful outcome for him at my expense.

I also value my life more than that of some miscreant who wished to end mine with a second try.

19 posted on 12/31/2008 8:45:34 AM PST by wmileo (I miss Ronald Wilson Reagan. POTUS #40)
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To: RC2
Precisely.

The "Proportionality Doctrine" does nothing but prolong the conflict and extend the suffering.

If one side can decisively win the conflict quickly, it should be done. Medea Benjamin, Hollywood, the U.N., most Democrats, and other anti-semite, anti-American, pro-terrorist entities be damned.

20 posted on 12/31/2008 8:47:18 AM PST by Washi (Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) leads directly to Irrational Obama Exuberance (IOE))
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