Posted on 12/31/2008 6:25:00 AM PST by mlizzy
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A private investigator in Hawaii has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama's father and mother, which indicates they had "one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya." That is the report of Ed Hale of PlainsRadio.com, an Internet radio site which has focused upon the natural born Citizen challenges to Obama's presidential eligibility.
Hale announced this during his evening Internet broadcast on PlainsRadio.com, Tuesday, 12/30 and confirmed it with I.O. in an online interview, later that night. He reported that certified copies of this documentation have been sent from Hawaii by the investigator to himself and four others. Hale is to receive his copy today, Wednesday, 12/31 and plans to post it graphically on the site, during the day. He will also discuss this on a special Internet broadcast, between 6 pm and 10 pm Central Time, tonight. The site streams audio as soon as it is accessed via Web browser.
Link to PlainsRadio and their message forum
Link to PlainsRadio and chat window
The Texan Internet entrepreneur relates he got fed up with the lack of documentation on Obama and decided to discuss ideas with his radio audience. His offer to hire an investigator was met with piecemeal sums of money from listeners to his broadcasts. Hale said some of the information one would expect to find was not available. For example, documentation from Obama's mother Stanley Ann's divorce to her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, had vanished. Hale speculates, the reason this forthcoming 1964 divorce decree had not also been "scrubbed" could be that the divorce had been filed not by Obama's mother, but by Barack H. Obama, Sr. Thus, it may have been overlooked by any plumbers for Obama.
Hale does admit to incomplete certainty of his investigator's work until he receives it, partially due to the PI's accent, the telephone connection, and his slight hearing impediment. However, he is very confident of what he will receive during the day. Mark S. McGrew, who writes about Obama's natural born Citizen problems for Pravda.ru, accompanied Hale in his broadcast and also expressed confidence. McGrew had sought publication in numerous American news outlets, but they turned down his articles referring to Obama's apparent ineligibility. Russia's Pravda however, decided his effort to find and report the truth was not to be redlined.
As often related, Barack Obama, due simply to his U.K. citizenship at birth via his Kenyan father, is not a natural born Citizen of America, by definition and the original intent of that term. The Supreme Court has turned down cases which make this point, but according to a September decision in a lower federal court (regarding John McCain's eligibility problem), this would be due to a question of jurisdiction, until Congress is to certify the Electoral College vote on January 8. Further action is to occur, after this date. You may read about this in previous I.O. articles and the sites linked in its sidebar.
Meanwhile, on the question of Obama's place of birth, professionals dealing with documents and forensic evidence have testified that the online "certificate of live birth" provided by Obama is not identifiable evidence of American birth. Now, if Obama's parents' divorce decree states that he was born in Kenya (as his Kenyan grandmother has repeatedly stated), the second epistemological wheel is coming off his vehicle to the White House.
Will Congress pay attention and do its Constitutional duty?
© Arlen Williams
You should BTW increase your meds.
Did they have the three stooges “scrubbing” the records? Why wouldn’t anyone with half a brain look under both parents’ names?
And still you spin. I didn’t say you made it up. I said you found a new way to spin this.
Star Traveler, no matter how much you try to cloud the issue by writing six pages of gibberish in hopes of confusing someone, SCOTUS has not, repeat, not thrown out the cases. They will meet January 9, 2009 and again January 16, 2009.
And still you spin. I didn’t say you made it up. I said you found a new way to spin this.
You said — “I understand the method, and I believe there are Obamites out there egging people on to make them appear stupid. That does not mean he is not a Natural Born Citizen.”
Well..., that’s the big thing, you see. I know that’s the issue that is being raised, but that’s as far as it seems to go — just “raising” the issue — and nothing happens after that. I see a lot of speculation, raising the issue and saying that a person can’t be President if they are not natural-born — but Obama keeps marching ahead to the inauguration date. That’s why I’ve wondered if people would still be on this issue when Obama starts building his Presidential Library...
It would be different if anyone had proof, other than statements. That would be proof that was accepted and determined to be true by a court.
And since that hasn’t happened, I don’t have anything to really “grab a hold of” to actually make a pronouncement that he is or is not qualified. I simply don’t know for sure and I haven’t found anyone else that knows for sure one way or another. I’ve only found that people are “convinced in themselves” that such and such is the case.
That’s also why I’ve said that this process for vetting a candidate is defective. Even Berg, himself has said the same thing and has said that there are no laws requiring the proof that he wants to get. That’s from Berg who has his case at the Supreme Court.
That means that it’s necessary to get state laws on the books to make sure the vetting process goes exactly like people want it to.
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You said — “I don’t need to be “convinced” of anything. Barack Obama was born to a NON-CITIZEN parent. Therefore, he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.”
I didn’t mean to indicate that you needed to be convinced — but rather — that you and others *are* convinced. And from the way I see it, a lot of people *are* convinced — from an absence of anything verifying it one way or another. I’m not saying that there are not a lot of suspicions, but I’m not convinced on the basis of suspicions. And I would say that courts won’t be persuaded either on the basis of suspicions.
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And then you said — “My biggest gripe with the Birth Certificate is that everyone on this board has at some time in their life had to present theirs to be considered to drive, go to school or get a job. Why is the President of the United States of America not held to that same standard as us peons. He will have the NUKE CODES.”
Basically that’s because — as Berg has already stated in his court papers — there is no law that requires that kind of process to be done. That’s why... Berg already has the answer for you.
Laughing at you. There you go again with six pages of gibberish that no one will read.
I'm done with this debate with you because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. What is there to VERIFY?
Do you have evidence that Barack Obama Sr. is not Obama's father? Do you have evidence that Barack Obama Sr. was NOT a Kenyan Colony citizen at the time of Obama's birth? If not, there is nothing to be "verified".
I already know that a Resolution from Congress is not an amendment to the Constitution. Therefore Resolution 511 is no more than a statement by Congress...not an amendment.
Guess I will just wait and see what the ruling is from SCOTUS. The buck will obviously stop with them to uphold the Constitution. Happy New Years Day!
Star Traveler, please read this sentence:
Obama himself has said that he was a British citizen at birth.
A a a a a a any minute now.
A a a a a a any minute....
I'm not sure what you mean, does the constitution define natural born citizen the way you think it does? What part of the constitution supports your assertion of what a natural born citizen is?
You said — “You always think you know what is “really” going on while the rest of us are, well idiots is the word I think you used once before.”
I’m quoting from other detractors. I’ve never said that this is what I think. However, I do fully well recognize that this is what a lot of others do think, and I point that out. You have to be careful about attributing that to me.
And, for what I think is going on, I have given references that tie together Berg, Ed Hale and Chief Editor Korir — and — the Dark Socrates methodology that was used just recently.
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You then said — “I think the issue you now raise is in fact the spin to attempt to discredit the issue.”
Ummmm..., I’m not the only one that has seen this. This Chief Editor Korir was followed by a whole bunch of people trying to get him to release the Michelle Obama tape where she admitted Obama was born in Kenya. They also know that Berg signed on to be the lawyer for Chief Editor Korir. They also saw how Ed Hale got involved with Chief Editor Korir.
If anything is discredited, it certainly is not by “the messenger” bringing you the details of what thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands of others already know. It’s just that many — here — may not know it. It would serve them well to *know* those facts — which are *real facts* to be sure....
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You said — “Once I pointed out to you thqt contrary to your statements SCOTUS has not thrown out the cases you reload with new trash to enlighten us rubes.”
I’ve said the same thing all along about the Supreme Court. It simply does not look like they have any inclination to undo an election or prevent Obama from taking office — and perhaps not even in giving Berg “standing” in his case.
I doubt that they will have anything to do with the retired officer who Berg is lodging a complaint for.
And, even if Berg does get his “standing” — it’s only going back down to the lower court. By the time everything winds it way all through the lower court and all the hearings and filings and then back to the Supreme Court again — Obama will already be in his second term (if he even runs again).
That’s why I’ve said that we need state laws to prevent Obama from taking office for a second term. But, that seems *way too easy* for many here... LOL...
It’s better to be perceived chasing this around (and have the Dark Socratic methodology hanging over you) than working for a state legislative solution to stop Obama from taking office again...
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And finally you said — “I know you won’t stop, but you’re an idiot.”
Ummm..., just pointing these things out is making one an idiot? I mean, it’s not escaping a lot of other people’s observations either. I’m not the only one. Besides, when were we supposed to be resorting to calling names. I’ve certainly not done that. But, I have recognized that there are those who are calling people names — like look in that Dark Socratic methodology video and you’ll see it there (for example...).
"So, is Hale not aware of that document or is that document not real?" Minor inconsistencies that are exculpatory to Obama's U.S. citizenship are supposed to be ignored, however, inconsistencies that prove he's really a Plutonian alien rebel are to be magnified and shouted from the rooftops. :-)
Wiki as your sage authority? LOL For all you know, Star Traveler, the crafty deceiver/fruad working FR of late, could have written the Wiki entry. If you want an example of stealth deceit at FR, just frepmaiul me, Ron, I’ll share an interesting recent episode from an obomanoid agitprop.
All star travler does is spin and mislead. There is no debate.
IMHO he is an Obamanoid.
You said — “You should BTW increase your meds.”
I’m not the one who invented a story here... LOL...
The ole Chief Editor Korir really had a lot of people going there. He got Berg as his lawyer, too. And also, Ed Hale was involved with Chief Editor Korir. Then you have ole Chief Editor Korir, letting everyone know that ‘stupid people” should be punished.
Now, if I made that up, out of nothing — then I might be crazy. But, this is so outrageous of a story (that it happened and that all those people are connected together) that — *it’s crazy* — but it’s the “story” that is crazy — and not the messenger who is bringing this story to your attention...
You said — “Obama himself has said that he was a British citizen at birth.”
That seems to be proof of the situation that Berg said — in that he said that there were no laws regarding Obama providing proof of his eligibility...
Which, if Berg is stating something true — and since he is at the Supreme Court, I would imagine he’s stating something true or else he wouldn’t say it to the Supreme Court — that means — that we definitely need those state laws in order to “get the laws” that Berg says we don’t have...
Now, that would make a lot of sense — in most “normal” cases — but it doesn’t seem to make sense here... hmmm...
FedEx guy says:
If it was FedEx, “2nd Day” is a commitment by 4:30 pm of the 2nd Business Day after pickup. Because of the Holiday, the commitment for a Tuesday pickup is Friday 4:30, If sent If sent on Wednesday, then Monday by 4:30. All of this is complicated by the fact that cut-off times in Hawaii are VERY early in the day, because of the time zone difference, and the need to get a flight into Memphis by 0130 CST in the morning to make the primary sort.
But most people send documents by “Priority” or “Standard Overnight” with next day commitments of 1030 and 1500 respectively. Sometimes, especially post-holiday, and on Mondays, “2nd-Day” service will end up delivered a day earlier than the commitment.
——Retired fedEx
No, but you can read the footnotes and go to the sources.
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