Posted on 12/31/2008 6:25:00 AM PST by mlizzy
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A private investigator in Hawaii has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama's father and mother, which indicates they had "one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya." That is the report of Ed Hale of PlainsRadio.com, an Internet radio site which has focused upon the natural born Citizen challenges to Obama's presidential eligibility.
Hale announced this during his evening Internet broadcast on PlainsRadio.com, Tuesday, 12/30 and confirmed it with I.O. in an online interview, later that night. He reported that certified copies of this documentation have been sent from Hawaii by the investigator to himself and four others. Hale is to receive his copy today, Wednesday, 12/31 and plans to post it graphically on the site, during the day. He will also discuss this on a special Internet broadcast, between 6 pm and 10 pm Central Time, tonight. The site streams audio as soon as it is accessed via Web browser.
Link to PlainsRadio and their message forum
Link to PlainsRadio and chat window
The Texan Internet entrepreneur relates he got fed up with the lack of documentation on Obama and decided to discuss ideas with his radio audience. His offer to hire an investigator was met with piecemeal sums of money from listeners to his broadcasts. Hale said some of the information one would expect to find was not available. For example, documentation from Obama's mother Stanley Ann's divorce to her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, had vanished. Hale speculates, the reason this forthcoming 1964 divorce decree had not also been "scrubbed" could be that the divorce had been filed not by Obama's mother, but by Barack H. Obama, Sr. Thus, it may have been overlooked by any plumbers for Obama.
Hale does admit to incomplete certainty of his investigator's work until he receives it, partially due to the PI's accent, the telephone connection, and his slight hearing impediment. However, he is very confident of what he will receive during the day. Mark S. McGrew, who writes about Obama's natural born Citizen problems for Pravda.ru, accompanied Hale in his broadcast and also expressed confidence. McGrew had sought publication in numerous American news outlets, but they turned down his articles referring to Obama's apparent ineligibility. Russia's Pravda however, decided his effort to find and report the truth was not to be redlined.
As often related, Barack Obama, due simply to his U.K. citizenship at birth via his Kenyan father, is not a natural born Citizen of America, by definition and the original intent of that term. The Supreme Court has turned down cases which make this point, but according to a September decision in a lower federal court (regarding John McCain's eligibility problem), this would be due to a question of jurisdiction, until Congress is to certify the Electoral College vote on January 8. Further action is to occur, after this date. You may read about this in previous I.O. articles and the sites linked in its sidebar.
Meanwhile, on the question of Obama's place of birth, professionals dealing with documents and forensic evidence have testified that the online "certificate of live birth" provided by Obama is not identifiable evidence of American birth. Now, if Obama's parents' divorce decree states that he was born in Kenya (as his Kenyan grandmother has repeatedly stated), the second epistemological wheel is coming off his vehicle to the White House.
Will Congress pay attention and do its Constitutional duty?
© Arlen Williams
Well, I guess I couldn’t figure out what it was about, that military officers won’t listen to him?
Wow, if Wikipedia says it’s wrong, it must be!
Perhaps. OTOH, when it became clear that The One could win, the calculus changed.
Hillary!™ has sky high negatives and would face a brutal battle as the democrat candidate. She saw in her document files a way to control (and ultimately become) the president without any of those pesky elections.
Once 0bama is in, should anything unfortunate happen the new president Biden would need a new Veep. Who better than Hillary!™, the runner up in the primaries?
If you’re tired of this, you don’t have to click on it. There’s no requirement that a person has to read every thread.
Please point out at the link you provided where “natural born” citizen is NOT one born of citizen parents AND on US soil. I do not see where I am incorrect. Thanks!
Natural born = Born on US soil + Born of US citizen parents.
He didn’t answer my question, wonder why?
This definition of "Natural Born" exists nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.
you have the information; I’m unable to help you with reading comprehension.
Apparently you want an illegal alien from Africa as President!
Did you check your freepmail?
He has been on a lot of COLB threads and I have bumpes heads several times with him.
While he claims to be right of center he is constantly spinning the COLB issue in a way that is meant to discourage and disrupt those who are supporting the issue.
Me thinks he is an Obamaniod spinmiester.
Hi..., you asked — “Thanks, Star Traveler. What effect will the information have on SCOTUS conferences in January?”
Well, several different things to consider here. This particular information will have nothing to do with the Supreme Court deciding whether they will hear the case or simply issue a “Denied”. That’s the first thing that will occur with the Supreme Court.
We’ll see whether they want to “hear” it or deny it — at that time. If they do decide to hear it (and/or the others), we’ll see a date set for the hearing of it. That will be, yet again, another time in the future, after this time coming up in January.
For the sake of discussion, let’s say that they do decide to hear it (for example, Berg’s case). What are they going to be determining, if they hear it? Very simply (on Berg’s case) whether he has standing or not.
And continuing, for the sake of discussion, let’s say they finally decide that Berg has standing. What then? Well..., it goes back to the lower court judge and they get to start over there — again. And that’s another date, yet further in the future.
Okay, so, thus far, if everything goes “well” — then we’ve got more dates, more hearings and a “more distant future”. At that point, in the more distant future, we could be talking about a year, possibly (maybe less). And then, whenever the lower court judge does hear the case, in which it was decided by the Supreme Court, that he had standing, considering the judge’s original disposition to the case, it could very well turn out (after months and possibly a year later) that the lower court judge doesn’t decide in Berg’s favor. And then the whole thing is dead — or else — it goes through another cycle of appeals and hearings and so on and so forth. So, we could be talking about another year — in the waiting.
At this particular time, with possible appeals, it’s not clear that the Supreme Court would even take those appeals. And mind you, there would be appeals no matter which side won (because the other side would not want to lose) — so the appeals could be another year in the waiting, because the Supreme Court is not likely to hurry on that one, either. They are not likely to overturn an election, as they’ve evidenced thus far. They’ve also evidenced this fact, by the “time” that they are taking on it. They are in no hurry and they know that Obama will end up being sworn in and being President. They are just “going through the motions” and not letting the “timetable” for Obama being sworn in, get in the way of anything that they are doing.
In the end, Berg’s case will come back down to a lower court and the Supreme Court will not be doing anything to “oust” Obama from office. Remember, it’s not the Supreme Court who is going to do the “finding out” of the information about Obama’s qualifications. The information is still not available. No court has accepted and/or ruled positively on any evidence. What the court seemingly is being asked to do (in one part of what Berg has submitted) is rule on speculative evidence that has no ruling in any court of law, in order to stop Obama from taking office. The court is not going to give that kind of injunction based on evidence that no court has ruled as valid.
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And..., the Gregory S. Hollister issue is going to go nowhere, because just as the Supreme Court wouldn’t issue an injunction, before, on Berg’s other pleading, they’re not going to issue an injunction this time on the basis of someone who “subject to recall” (and retired from service in 1998). They probably won’t comment in it and simply deny it. But, I would imagine the reasoning would be once he’s recalled, then Hollister may have some basis to file on this. But, Hollister still may have nothing in the way of the questions of Obama’s qualifications (even if Hollister did have basis to file the claim, at that possible future time of potential recall back to the service and out of retirement). On this one they’ll be thinking “come back when it’s a problem for Hollister, in fact”...
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And then, in regards to the information about API and Chief Editor Korir, and the Michelle Obama tape admitting Obama was born in Kenya, and in connection with Ed Hale (as he had something to do with Chief Editor Korir, too) and also in connection with Berg (as he was the lawyer for Chief Editor Korir in the United States) — this is all beginning to seem like one big, continuing and amazing scam, on behalf of all parties. There may be unwitting accomplices here, but there are also very “intentional” accomplices here (in connection with Obama, no doubt). And it’s already clear that Chief Editor Korir thinks that “stupid people” who believe the kind of chicanery that he put out, should be punished — which leads me to believe that also the Obamites are very much involved in creating fake issues in which they can “make fools” of a lot of people. And that is highlighted by the video that I presented, which came from Chief Editor Korir.
So, it would appear that a lot of people are being “set up” by the Obamites and, if nothing else, being led off into “never-never land” to chase these non-existent issues that they have — themselves — set up for people to “chase down”.
Thus, while this information about Chief Editor Korir and Ed Hale and Berg (all connected here) would have no bearing on the Supreme Court in what they will decide — it definitely forms the “overall picture” of what is happening and how people are “getting sucked” into this... LOL..
It’s quite a masterful plan, I would say. I would imagine that there are a lot of Obamites that are “yukking it up” about right now...
“Natural born = Born on US soil + Born of US citizen parents.”
“This definition of “Natural Born” exists nowhere in the U.S. Constitution.”
You are correct that the Constitution does not state: “The definition of ‘natural born’citizen is......”.
One must interpret the Constitution as to the meaning expressed by our Founding Fathers and through additional ammendments and case law writings. The information at the link you provided also supports the meaning of “natural born” as it pertains to one who would be Commander in Chief.
I am sure the SCOTUS will end up making a ruling on the meaning of “natural born” in reference to the Obama had the Constitutional qualifications of anyone who would hold the Office of President or Vice President.
I still believe that both John McCain and Barack Obama do not meet the constitutional requirements to be President.
You said — “It really doesn’t matter what Obamites want anyone to believe. There is no doubt at all that he was born a dual citizen and Natural Born means not born under a foreign power. Which Obama was.”
You’re missing the “Dark Socrates” methodology, in which they put out false information for people to “discover” which no one can find any substantive proof for — so that everyone can be discredited (and as in that Dark Socrates methodology — be shown to be the fools that they are and punished for it).
That’s what appears to be happening. That’s not to say that there are not people who are “convinced” that this is so. It’s just that the Dark Socrates methodology is designed to “show up” how stupid some people can be in believing anything, no matter if there is proof or not, or even fake proof.
You said — “WOW star travler has now found a whole new way to spin this issue. My guess is you are one of the Obama spinners attempting to discredit this issue.”
I discovered what the Obamites were doing from good ole “Chief Editor Korir” and how he’s connected with Berg (the one at the Supreme Court) and also connected with Ed Hale.
It’s quite the thing..., actually. Amazing from what I see... LOL...
So, I didn’t “make it up” but discovered it upon keeping up on all this news and seeing what was going on. This appears to be what is going on here...
You said — “I still believe that both John McCain and Barack Obama do not meet the constitutional requirements to be President.”
The irony is getting quite thick around here... It seems that we never had an election in the first place because there were never any candidates to run for President...
Now..., that’s the kind of thinking that a person could go a long ways with... LOL..
Congress passed a law in 1960 that specifically said: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”
The Constitution does not define what a natural born citizen is, Congress has defined it.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_panamanian-born_mccain_be_elected_president.html
There are other sources on the web:
The following link shows that changing rules for whether or not a child automatically gained citizenship. By these rules, you see that McCain was born a Citizen, because both parents were Citizens. You also see here the Obama problem as if he was in fact born in Kenya he was not born a citizen:
Now, do you guys want to provide a source for your claim that to be natural born you have to be born in the country by two citizens?
Yes, thank you. They’re out in full force today, aren’t they.
0bama’s website clearly states he was born a British subject, by virtue of his father’s British citizenship. This has become an endless, circular discussion. Facts are pesky things, aren’t they.
That’s what appears to be happening. That’s not to say that there are not people who are “convinced” that this is so. It’s just that the Dark Socrates methodology is designed to “show up” how stupid some people can be in believing anything, no matter if there is proof or not, or even fake proof.
I understand the method, and I believe there are Obamites out there egging people on to make them appear stupid. That does not mean he is not a Natural Born Citizen
I don't need to be "convinced" of anything. Barack Obama was born to a NON-CITIZEN parent. Therefore, he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.
My biggest gripe with the Birth Certificate is that everyone on this board has at some time in their life had to present theirs to be considered to drive, go to school or get a job. Why is the President of the United States of America not held to that same standard as us peons. He will have the NUKE CODES.
Worse, as president he has the ability to declassify the names, addresses and phone numbers of every single intel source the US has anywhere in the world.
You always think you know what is “really” going on while the rest of us are, well idiots is the word I think you used once before.
I think the issue you now raise is in fact the spin to attempt to discredit the issue.
Once I pointed out to you thqt contrary to your statements SCOTUS has not thrown out the cases you reload with new trash to enlighten us rubes.
I know you won’t stop, but you’re an idiot.
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