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To: autumnraine; LucyT

You said — “I understand the method, and I believe there are Obamites out there egging people on to make them appear stupid. That does not mean he is not a Natural Born Citizen.”

Well..., that’s the big thing, you see. I know that’s the issue that is being raised, but that’s as far as it seems to go — just “raising” the issue — and nothing happens after that. I see a lot of speculation, raising the issue and saying that a person can’t be President if they are not natural-born — but Obama keeps marching ahead to the inauguration date. That’s why I’ve wondered if people would still be on this issue when Obama starts building his Presidential Library...

It would be different if anyone had proof, other than statements. That would be proof that was accepted and determined to be true by a court.

And since that hasn’t happened, I don’t have anything to really “grab a hold of” to actually make a pronouncement that he is or is not qualified. I simply don’t know for sure and I haven’t found anyone else that knows for sure one way or another. I’ve only found that people are “convinced in themselves” that such and such is the case.

That’s also why I’ve said that this process for vetting a candidate is defective. Even Berg, himself has said the same thing and has said that there are no laws requiring the proof that he wants to get. That’s from Berg who has his case at the Supreme Court.

That means that it’s necessary to get state laws on the books to make sure the vetting process goes exactly like people want it to.

You said — “I don’t need to be “convinced” of anything. Barack Obama was born to a NON-CITIZEN parent. Therefore, he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.”

I didn’t mean to indicate that you needed to be convinced — but rather — that you and others *are* convinced. And from the way I see it, a lot of people *are* convinced — from an absence of anything verifying it one way or another. I’m not saying that there are not a lot of suspicions, but I’m not convinced on the basis of suspicions. And I would say that courts won’t be persuaded either on the basis of suspicions.

And then you said — “My biggest gripe with the Birth Certificate is that everyone on this board has at some time in their life had to present theirs to be considered to drive, go to school or get a job. Why is the President of the United States of America not held to that same standard as us peons. He will have the NUKE CODES.”

Basically that’s because — as Berg has already stated in his court papers — there is no law that requires that kind of process to be done. That’s why... Berg already has the answer for you.


246 posted on 01/01/2009 11:53:20 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Laughing at you. There you go again with six pages of gibberish that no one will read.


247 posted on 01/01/2009 11:54:51 AM PST by LucyT
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To: Star Traveler; LucyT; stockpirate
You said — “I don’t need to be “convinced” of anything. Barack Obama was born to a NON-CITIZEN parent. Therefore, he is not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.” I didn’t mean to indicate that you needed to be convinced — but rather — that you and others *are* convinced. And from the way I see it, a lot of people *are* convinced — from an absence of anything verifying it one way or another. I’m not saying that there are not a lot of suspicions, but I’m not convinced on the basis of suspicions. And I would say that courts won’t be persuaded either on the basis of suspicions.

I'm done with this debate with you because you aren't even addressing what I'm saying. What is there to VERIFY?

Do you have evidence that Barack Obama Sr. is not Obama's father? Do you have evidence that Barack Obama Sr. was NOT a Kenyan Colony citizen at the time of Obama's birth? If not, there is nothing to be "verified".

248 posted on 01/01/2009 11:56:34 AM PST by autumnraine
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