Posted on 12/30/2008 4:52:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
In 1990, few were predicting the breakup of the Soviet Union.
But it came – only a year later.
With 2009 set to begin in a few days, there is someone predicting the breakup of the United States – a year from now.
His name is Igor Panarin, a former KGB analyst and dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's school for foreign diplomats – in other words, a serious fellow.
For him, it's nothing new. He's been making the same prediction for last 10 years. But, until recently, no one took him seriously. And then came the economic calamity that has rocked Americans and the rest of the world, too. Now, Panarin's predictions of an end of the United States, due to economic and moral collapse, is being taken seriously by many.
Panarin blames out-of-control mass immigration, economic decline and moral degradation for what he believes could be a civil war as early as next fall and a total collapse of the dollar. By June or July of 2010, he sees the U.S. breaking into six pieces.
Now, I'm not buying into Panarin's entire prediction. But I do think there's something to it.
I've been talking about this possibility more and more in recent years. I don't see how this house of cards we're building can possibly withstand the next significant windstorm. The political ties no longer bind. Only inertia and the threat of force hold us together.
The economic crisis is clearly visible to all – but all the wrong buttons are being pushed. In fact, the same people who got us into this mess are digging a deeper hole for all of us to climb out of.
The other two crises he points to have scarcely even been recognized by many people – out-of-control immigration and moral rot.
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The Southern politicians are in a tough spot. They have to deliver jobs. So they go hat in hand to the Japanese, to the Federal gubmint, to anyone who has a couple bucks to spend.
Meanwhile, many of these areas are suffering from serious depopulation problems. The young people are leaving for better opportunities. There are areas in the midwest where they will give you a house if you promise to live in it. I suppose they’ll give you land and a parade if you build a factory there.
The problems associated with secession are enormous and widely varied. The lack of money, the lack of a military, the lack of ports, in some places the lack of food and water.
I’m staying right here in my home of Michigan in spite of Detroit. We’re actually a pretty conservative state. No to gay marriage, no to affirmnative action, yes to concealed carry.
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Let all the whiny losers go to Texas....They’ll love the weather and hurricanes. Then when they find out that Texas is loaded with illegals, let them run to the next sucker town/state
You could also make the point that both sides were spoiling for a fight, and that is no doubt true. Also, I don't know enough about the history of slavery world wide to be able to judge the credibility of the above historian's theory. I submit it for your review and comment.
Lincoln gave an interesting speech about the war.
One side would go to war to escape the union and the other side would go to war to preserve it, so the war came.
No we're not. I live in San Diego. Mexicans are not Americans, they're Mexicans. In the same way, socialists are not Americans. I have nothing in common with them, and I don't want to live with them. This is the result of multiculturalism; balkanization of America.
The idiot thinks that Canada will “take over” most of the Midwest and Mexico will take over the Southeast. He is a fool.
“I tell you why his prediction of US break up is unbelievable. It seems like he’s not aware of local sentiment in the area he thinks will break up. California under China influence?! California will more likely go with Mexico than China. Alaska under Russia?! With Palin as Govenor. Not likely”
The Russian’s prediction of an American breakup has been the subject of numerous threads here on FR over the last few months. Like a bad penny, the subject keeps turning up again and again.
Let me ask ANYone reading this, who is older:
In 1988, if someone had told you that the U.S.S.R. would suffer the collapse of Communism, and the actual dismemberment and breakup of the Soviet Union, how would you have responded? I might have thought they were crazy. Yet today the once-mighty Soviet Union lies upon the ash heap of history (ahem, who predicted that?).
Recall further one of the critical turning points of the Cold War: at the summit in Iceland, at which Ronald Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev (sp?) that the United States would never allow the Soviets to gain military superiority over us, that we would spend whatever it took to maintain that. The Soviets had spent exhorbitant amounts (for them) in trying, and in doing so, spent their state into bankruptcy, from which it was impossible to continue - at least as a unifed nation.
But look at _us_ TODAY. Although we have no world enemy of Soviet stature with which to contend, our government has literally spent ITSELF into near-bankruptcy. Here on FR we scorn and deride states like New York and California, both so far in self-created debt that there seems no way that either can ever return to fiscal health. But - vis-a-vis either of those states - how far removed from their condition, is that of the federal government, and the country for whom that government is supposed to be caretaker?
How long can Washington’s binge last before the other nations of the world decide they no longer wish to finance our debt? And what then?
And that’s not to mention the unbridgeable cultural divide that has split the country. On one side are those who love freedom, who wish to take care of themselves, and who want the government to stay out of their lives as much as possible. On the other are those who love entitlements, who expect the government to take care of everything, who seem fundamentally opposed to our basic freedoms and economic systems as they were established by our forefathers. The numbers of this second group aren’t shrinking - they’re growing.
The divide between “the reds” and “the blues” is as distinct as between the old “free” and “slave” states. Only today, it is socialism which looms as “the new massa”. And it seems to be conservatives who want to flee the plantation and find that underground railroad to freedom (from government).
The nation no longer seems to be “indivisible” as the Pledge of Allegiance envisions. Rather, the cracks and fissures are forming all around.
Could things break apart here?
I believe that they could - and, in time, will.
Yes, the Russian guy is laughably wrong in just how the fault lines will fall, and how a “Commonwealth of North American States” would look post-breakup. But he is more on-target in his perceptions that such an event could occur.
In one of the previous threads, I posted my own predictions as to how a “post-united” U.S.A. might look:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2138021/posts?page=38#38
Where would you want to be in the new North America?
- John
Many years ago a successful black businessman in the Deep South with whom I worked described to me what he called the “tipping point” which blacks who want to be successful should be careful to avoid.
Surely sterilization is the first order of business.
“What they don’t mention are the large built in resistance made up of people in those states who wisely don’t want to secede. What do they do with them? Do the “oppressed” become the oppressor?”
Trail of Tears, writ large.
- John
BTW,I`ve not personally endorsed secession,and also believe its a non-issue. But if what I`ve read about the impending hyperinflation, (due to the massive debt) is true, the dollar may collapse.If it does,and there is another serious depression,I believe it does have the potential to cause civil unrest of a type not seen since the civil war.Thats a far more likely scenario then any secession.Question then is what would this administration do?These are questions worthy of discussion.
Are you with Gen. James Mattoon Scott or Col. “Jiggs” Casey?
“The part I liked was the fantasy of the midwest and central US under Canadian control. That would end with our first election as Canadian citizens. I doubt Canada really wants a sudden infusion of 100 million or so Americans.”
Canada would not survive a breakup of the United States to the south.
It, too, would break apart, with various provinces re-aligning with corresponding [American] states of like-minded values.
- John
Right, and no one yet has presented me a scenario as to how the fed govt is going to keep control. Government needs money to run, and it can barely make it now with the most prosperous economy in history.
We can talk about martial law all we want, but at the end of the day somehow it all needs to be paid for. I’m not sure the fed govt would be able to pull it off.
“my frenz” after this election, the crap sandwich we were forced to eat and will continue to eat(bom’s history/friends/propaganda) i say ANYTHING is possible just ponder on that!
I heard an economic historian the other day who posited that the Civil War was unnecessary. Other countries had ended slavery without going to war with themselves over it. The US was the exception to that rule. In his view, Lincoln ultimately failed, as he allowed the dispute to drift into war.
This is very true. Lincoln is often touted as a great president, when in fact, he was far from it. the government should have paid to send them back to their homeland, which is where most of them wanted to be.
Actually, I think deflation causes depressions more so than inflation. We had terrible inflation during the early 80’s. You may remember Reagan refused to lower interest rates because of it. I think succession is ridiculous also.
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